Infertile people can't marry says Catholic Church

01/10/2012

“What is there that comes from marrying them? Nothing! They are two, they remain two, they die two.” ~Archbishop Oscar Cruz, CBCP

From Archbishop Cruz’s latest statement about the issue of marriage from an interview on GMA news, Archbishop reiterated the Catholic Church’s stance that marriage along with sex is ONLY for procreation, That those who cannot procreate or decide to procreate is committing a mortal sin in the eyes of God.

The Catholic Church is planning to ban the infertile people’s right to marry for they cannot conceive. Even couples who does not plan to have babies can have their marriage revoked, for they have failed their purpose to multiply.

“Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

This is the belief that the Catholic Church is fighting for, and in the Philippines where majority of the people are Catholics. Even with the separation of church and state, if you cannot get married according to the standards of the Catholic Church, other religions has no right to marry you either.

References:

GMA News - http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/
GMA Network.Com Interview - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JXs7Fk8RgME

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Comments

Patrick OMalley link

01/11/2012 01:52

What Archbishop Cruz says is true, which is why Bishop Zavala has 2 teenage children, as it was just discovered last week.

Of course, Zavala isn't married, since Catholic priests can't get married, and he was hiding the two teenagers and his despicable scandal for at least a decade. And this wasn't one mistake. There are two children, so he must have liked sex enough to do it at least twice.

There is no word yet on whether he had sex with his own children, like Father Maciel of Mexico, who had three children and had sex with at least one of them, or Bishop Vangheluwe of Belgium, who had sex with his nephew, starting at age 5 and until he was 18. And he also had sex with his other nephew. Don't worry - he says he isn't a pedophile/ Whew.

Back to Zavala. Don't worry, the church says they will pay for the children's college expenses, and of course, they haven't asked the parishioners, who might want to use the money for starving children or more deserving children.

Remember, Bishops are the best Catholics you have, and they can't follow the simplest rules. Tens of thousands of Catholic priests raped over 100,000 children, and bishops covered it up.

This is a message from God - the Catholic church is not God's church.

Secrecy

01/11/2012 04:32

And what's the relation of your comment to the topic?

Lol

01/11/2012 04:34

You're kinda slow if you can't see the connection...

Regis Blanco

01/11/2012 05:20

you stupid shit. Priests do rape sacristans and choir boys

Yup

01/11/2012 07:49

Yup. slow indeed.

jon

01/11/2012 08:49

you're a f-----g moron. slow f-----g moron. get lost with f-----g oscar cruz and those f-----g faggot priests.

Joseph Henry

01/11/2012 19:37

@Secrecy: Good point. The comment of Patrick OMalley above is irrelevant and has no connection whatsoever to the topic at hand.

Red

01/11/2012 20:26

Omg i have never seen someone so stupid . If i was so feeble minded as secrecy is, i would've killed myself ages ago...

whatever

01/11/2012 21:19

really? and I thought the most stupid question on earth was the question that was never asked.

ajaja

01/11/2012 22:40

@Secrecy Bishops, the some of the most Catholic of Catholics can't follow their own rules. Therefore, even if they had a right to influence a country's marriage requirements, they are not credible and their advice should always be taken with a grain of salt.

critic

01/12/2012 03:31

discriminating hypocrites

Jay

01/12/2012 04:16

what's the connection? lol.. fucking bastard cant even read..

Jdelrosario link

01/14/2012 03:06

the problem with the the countries that are mostly control or influence by the catholic church is that they are the major source of miseries specially among the millions of poor because they are against any family planning like birth control is why the these countries like the Philippines will always be a Third World country. Remember these countries that had touched and influence by this Church are mostly the most corrupt.

Ron Wild

01/14/2012 16:56

The relation to his post is that the Catholic Church is full of hypocritical, vile, adults with ridiculous superstitions, which have no foundations of proof other than a book written by desert dwelling, people with no concept of knowledge outside of their immediate surroundings, and yet they expect the special privilege to tell others how to live and to condemn those they have indoctrinated into their faith with threats of eternal damnation. And they expect this privilege to go uncontested by others. The Catholic church mutilated, tortured and murdered over seventy five million people over six hundred years with eighty consecutive popes never saying anything against it. So explain what life experiences does an allegedly celibate man from a seminary bring to the average couple and and the world in general? Other than blatant hypocrisy that is.

jaimeeband

01/11/2012 06:42

this is absurd!!! how dare they! thats the thing they dont know how it works or to fall for someone! mindi your own life! thats why i no longer believe in the teachings of the priests!

Jun June

01/11/2012 07:12

then leave catholic. all those who are against this, LEAVE. coz I did.

jemfer

01/11/2012 10:47

That's why I no longer go to Church... but I believe in God and pray everyday. My God loves me for who I am because he created me this way :-)

Babae

01/11/2012 07:36

sa tingin ko, hindi naiintindihan ni archbishop ang totoong essence ng marriage. Nakakalimutan ba niya na ordained ng Diyos ang kasal... bawal nga ang sex pag hindi pa kasal e... mas mabigat yung kasalanan na yun kaysa sa hindi makapag-anak, at mukhang hindi rin nga kasalanan yung hindi makapag-anak e.. nakakalimutan din ba niyang may awa yung Diyos? "By Grace we shall be saved" Diyos na yung bahala sa pagkukulang natin basta's gagawin natin lahat ng makakaya natin na naaayon sa kagustuhan ng Diyos.
:)

Jean link

01/11/2012 11:56

this isnt right... Of all things, the church should open their arms to couples who are reproductively challenged. It is un-Christian of them to state in public and even make it a law as this is also considered a discriminative act.

What is the couple found each other late in life and woman is too old to conceive? The very essence of marriage is finding someone you can spend the rest of your life with.

Jesus wants us to learn about Love and the sanctity of Marriage is one way of showing it. Would you deprive that kind of Love to people who want it?

I believe that the priests need to have a better understanding of the Bible and not let their own corruptive opinions work.

Is it because the Catholic church hasnt been able to follow the times and are still so backward. With little minds and very little to appreciate the real Word of God.

In essence, I hope the people who are in that position be the first to take part in giving and donations. Why is the vatican the richest country? Why can't they send the donations straight to those victims of poverty? And here we thought the church is the best example of Love and Christ's noble acts.

And now they will deprive Love between couples... How Christ-like is that?

Lalaki

01/11/2012 16:48

That is true.

Telly

01/11/2012 16:56

I agree, pano mo malaman na infertile ka before marriage, e kasalanan ang pre marital sex? Ano yun gagawin nilang requirement na mag pa check up ang mga taong ikakasal kung fertile sila or not bago sila ma approve na magpa kasal??? Blessing ang mag ka anak, now if you're not blessed to have one I don't see any reason na maging problema yun.

Mr. Yoso

01/11/2012 17:51

Amen to that! :)

marianena

01/11/2012 20:52

indeed!

epal

01/11/2012 20:53

I agree. form of discrimination yan eh. tama nga yung sinabi mo may awa ang Diyos kung si Abraham nga nagkaanak lang nung napakatanda na niya. same as Saint Elizabeth, cousin of Virgin Mary na known as infertile yet God has made a miracle by giving her a child

Randomdude

01/12/2012 01:44

how will they test if they are infertile or not? Kaya nga priests rape eh diba?para matest, and kung sakaling infertile, then they'd rape the child for life.

Ms.J

01/12/2012 05:04

tama, ano bang mga pinagsasabi niya....natugunan pa siya na bishop o pare whatsoever tapos ganyan siya.

01/12/2012 07:04

i totally agree. hindi dapat maging basehan yung fertility ng isang tao para masabi kung dapat ba sila ikasal or not. kung hindi magka-anak, fine, then adopt. that way, makakatulong pa sila.

ms. christian

01/11/2012 07:44

hypocrite

christy

01/11/2012 08:40

amen to that! such a hypocrite, noh? dear archibishop, clean your own bakuran bago ka mag-comment ng kung ano-ano! At dapat sana, pag-isipan mo muna sinasabi mo kesa bumalik sa 'yo! Masyadong pakialero ang CBCP sa government affairs at buhay ng mga Pinoy! Reality check, matagal na naghiwalay ang simbahan at ang estado! Second is HINDI LANG KAYO ANG CHURCH SA PILIPINAS! FEELINGERA MUCH?!

Angeline Ramos

01/11/2012 08:11

You are totally right! Catholic Church is NOT God's church. This simply shows that those freakin' priests, who are HIGHLY RESPECTED by other Catholics, don't even follow their "OWN" rules. LOL. XD And now, they're saying that infertile people can't marry just because their purpose wasn't fulfilled??? How rubbish! How immature those priests are! Who are they to say that??? THE ONLY QUESTION IS THIS: "WHY DO THOSE SO-CALLED RULE-BREAKER PRIESTS ALWAYS DOMINATE THIS COUNTRY???" IS THAT BECAUSE MAJORITY OF THE FILIPINOS ARE CATHOLICS??? The hell with them! THAT'S A BULLSH*T! (sorry for the term) That's just how I feel about those priests. LOL. Thank you. :D

Cris Fernando

01/11/2012 11:45

I personally think that Catholicism is the worst religion in this country. Well, next to occultism and stuff. They set up a lot of rules that aren't from the Bible, and don't follow them in the first place. By the way, I am an atheist so I don't really side with any other religion. But Catholicism is pure crap.

KaZuHiRo

01/11/2012 19:35

Amen to that - an atheist! FTW!

manong g

01/11/2012 09:51

you priest yourself is committing sin.. infertile people dont want to be infertile. its not their fault to be one! no ones perfect. they have a right to be happy.. priest like you should be on a deathrow for being stupid and acccusing.

Kathryn Matheny

04/12/2012 19:39

marriage is just for procreation? what crap that really is!!!! i myself cant have kids and hell no i didnt choose this, i wouldnt have chosen this as i feel so left out in life - this priest is full of utter bs

observant

01/11/2012 10:22

Napapansin niyo bang ang mga bansang sinakop ng Spain ang mga incompetent ngayon? #GoFigure #truestoty

ironman

01/11/2012 19:39

actually amtagal ko nang napapansin yan. tapos yung mga sinakop ng mga brit ang mga nangunguna.

adrian

01/11/2012 10:35

gumgawa lng ng isyu yng mga pari n yn. tumanda n lhat lhat ngyn lng naisp yn..all of them are fucking nuts!!!

tutuy

01/11/2012 14:17

BOOM! ../..

Yerla Oremor

01/11/2012 16:59

Balik ba ulit sa panahon ng mga prayle?

jenipipa

01/11/2012 18:58

Lol! You are too funny.

Angel

01/11/2012 19:50

To be sure you do not commit a sin when getting married, marry only a pregnant bride.

asd

01/12/2012 02:07

hahaha assurance nga naman

Mark Lester

01/11/2012 20:46

I love the last paragraph

" This is a message from God - the Catholic church is not God's church."

Sofia Garcia

01/11/2012 21:22

What's happening with Catholic Priests!!! I am so disappointed because I am Catholic, what are they reincarnation of Padre Damaso???

Kiting

01/11/2012 21:33

Wala lang magawa ang mga paring ito.... eh dami nga diyan pari na may kaso rape at sexual harassment. Bakit pakikialaman yung mga taong di kayang magkaanak. Diyos ko Oscar tumigil ka na.!!!!

chanda

01/11/2012 22:23

what a shame! mao diay! what kind of bishop is he? shame on you!!

lynn link

01/11/2012 22:28

for a while i cant believe what i was reading..... why cant priests who have children get out? pls spare us the hypocrisy......

jcbt

01/12/2012 07:03

i agree with you, ang mga pari na dumadami n ang anak yon sana bigyan nya nang pansin............istupido talaga purya gaba

Julia

01/11/2012 22:51

Therefore they are hypocrites.

Anne

01/11/2012 23:15

Well said.

Braveheart

01/12/2012 00:21

Fucking priests continue to be hypocrites to their own beliefs. Marriage is done because two people want to be together in complete commitment with one another in front of God and the whole world. They only vowed to stay together in sickness and in health and it is their RIGHT and not their responsibility whether or not to have a child. Also, who says that you are doing a sin if you cannot procreate? kaya nga cannot eh kasi hindi kaya. ambobobo

StrongSoul

01/14/2012 05:40

So true! to think that even them, the ``highly followed ones`` of the Catholic Church, forgot the true meaning of marriage. such a shame to them. that`s the reason why they still commit sin by means of pre-marital sex etc. because they don`t even follow anymore their own ``rules`` which are SAID to be coming from the bible. And marriage itself should not be based on the scripture that people should ``go forth and multipy`` but to the fact that they want to let everyone know how much they love each other with the blessing of Yahweh. They should let them be. It might feel a curse to the couple who wants to have children yet they can`t since they can`t procreate but the fact that it was GIVEN to them by the CREATOR OR HEAVEN AND EARTH HIMSELF, they still have the right to remain two, live two, and die two. And people marry each other since they want to BECOME ONE, not because they want to ADD ONE. such idiocricy is present to the Catholic Church that even their practices are already based on their ``rules`` and not in the Bible. Even their practices are repetitive that their Priests chant the same thing OVER AND OVER in their churches. such a shame, really. how foolish they can thing nowadays.

Arian

01/14/2012 21:33

How are people who aren't allowed to get married going to tell anyone what marriage is or isn't? I call BS

edison

01/12/2012 02:46

eh kupal pala yan eh...dapat talaga payagan ang mga pari mag asawa...para malama nila ang true meaning of LOVE! ano ba? porket infertile ang tao wala na siyang karapatang mapagtibay ang pagmamahalan nila ng kanyang karelasyon??? what the heck!! kasalan na pala ngayon ang magkasakit...maging baog?? kasalanan un??? binigay ng diyos yun!!! kaya hindi na ako magtataka kung bakit maraming religious leaders na nasa impyerno...di na nila sinusunod ang teachings ni GOD.they create their own...tsktsktsk

rey gatbonton

01/12/2012 07:23

Listen to what they preach but don't follow what they're doing!

drifter

01/12/2012 11:11

you should practice what you preach

ispyuno

01/12/2012 21:58

How can you believe in what they are preaching if you can't see it in their actions? They are just the modern day Pharisees, corrupted by power that has been given to them, just gives some laws that will make them stay in power. Everything that is given to us in this world is a gift from God and has a purpose whether it be infertility. They better read and understand the WHOLE Bible before jumping into conclusions like this. Well, Catholic Seminaries teach mostly all about Philosophies and Doctrines rather than the Word of God anyway, no doubt that you jumped into a conclusion with just a single verse. I now that it is not the only verse that is about marriage, there are tons of verses that talks about marriages. Remember that the Scripture does not contradict itself but rather supports other verses.

ismolbil

01/12/2012 14:52

I think Catholic are now promoting PMS?????

WTF

01/12/2012 21:45

I believe the Church is saying that Jesus never had his own child. If they are right and Jesus never had his own child, why would God's people stop the marriage of those who can't have their own children? To think that they say that everything happens as God's will. That means God has cursed some people with infertility. What kind of God does these hypocrites posing as priests stand for?

Bebe

01/12/2012 22:00

He is moron! What the fuck he is saying? His head is in his balls! Shove your ass!! fuckin' priest! Marriage is about 2 people. It's about the bond of 2 people. What if the person can't have a baby because she or had accident that cause him/her not to have baby?! How she/ he will know that she/he is incapble of not having a baby?! Most often single people don't go to doctor to ask if they are capable, usually they found out that when they get married. What do you want?! PMS to test if they are capable.. Church is not agree also in PMS. So fuckin' Priest! stop the bullshit!

rainier paraiso

01/13/2012 01:56

yes,catholic may not be God's church after all,for themselves alone contradicts the first of ten commandments,thou shall not worship any graven image or any other gods...it is like an established church to suit one's personal needs not by God's...
but in fairness don't blame the church for we will not be saved by the church after all...being saved is only thru GOD's grace and it will be ur own faith and unplaced belief.....may God bless us all!

wazegirl

01/16/2012 13:58

I agree the church is not wrong but the men in power thinking that they may use dogmatic law 2 suit the rules 4 the masses but following none themselves....n the 10 commandments are the rules n foundation that we r taught 2 follow 1st n foremost n in Catholic teaching they break the 1st rule rite out the gate by worshiping statues of others....this contradiction is y I left the Catholic faith n am nondenominal but have my relationship w) the lord <3

ryan

01/13/2012 14:46

so the catholic church is being hypocritical again???

Steve in SA

01/13/2012 14:49

At least he can say he didn't commit the dreaded sin of using birth control!

Lucius

01/15/2012 08:12

Wow, Patrick, I see you've done your homework. And what's a good Irish (Catholic?) lad like yourself doing getting all up in these cretinous Bishop's faces? Oh ya, exposing the deceit and hypocracy at the very heart of Mother Church. Well done, sir.

Kat Toudouze link

01/15/2012 15:15

I am a Catholic, and I know, God's Law, is for procreation, between married people. What I don't understand, is I think is is devastating, that the vatican, or where ever, is making this a law. There are some couples, that simply cannot have children. And I am sure, that the Church, would't even consider, infertilization an answer. I am very saddened, by this new developement...:(

000

01/11/2012 03:45

This stupid shit is the reason I renounced the Catholic faith.

XenTek

01/11/2012 06:38

cheers! so did I! faith? i just lost it. and i'm actually happier now. :)

cowscrubber

01/11/2012 07:48

I renounced Catholicism too when I learned about the amount of B.S. that is in the Catholic world.

anon

01/11/2012 08:44

This. What's more annoying(?, sad?) is that some mindless Catholic zombies eat up everything these idiots say.

Freelance

01/11/2012 03:59

“What is there that comes from marrying them?..."
morality is still better than live-in. The point of marriage is love.

"...Nothing! They are two, they remain two, they die two.”
At least they are two, they remain two, they die two. still displays better morality than those who are one, supposed to be one, and then "surprise world! i'm a man of God and i have two kids who i'm trying to hide!"

i'm a faithful catholic but this is BULLSHIT.

Religionisdivision

01/11/2012 05:06

can i "like" this???

Someone

01/11/2012 05:45

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uknowme

01/11/2012 07:07

^ i agree with your statement over there. i believe marriage is more than having a baby. and if ever the couple is infertile, they can find alternate ways to raise a child, if that's what the Church wants. They can adopt children. There are a lot of orphans who need parents. and yeah, i hope the Church will have more decent, more truthful, and wiser priests, bishops, and lay ministers in order not to hide the true goal of the Catholic Church: to love God above all things and to love others equally. Ad Majorem dei Gloriam.

iain

01/11/2012 15:01

Very well said. i hoped i rmmbered things i've learned in theo. oh well, Mr. cruz there is just going senile. trying to dig the oldest memory he cn get his hands on

unknown

01/11/2012 16:06

Priests are the modern day PHARISEES..

corazon

01/11/2012 20:15

those bishops i guess are like artists, whose minds were corrupted by bright lights :))

mackoy

01/11/2012 06:32

yeah thats right.. priests nowadays are not faithful to our GOD...why we have to follow priests they are not GOD...as long as your happy not hurting anyone its ok.. for me GOD said to human go and multiply it doesnt mean that you have to have many kids..its about the word of our LORD to spread it out...

With that

01/11/2012 08:01

With that argument, then same sex marriage should also be very much allowed

corazon

01/11/2012 20:12

i am too a catholic, and I so disagree with those statements.
but i still have faith. :))
they're priests-meaning humans, they're not God. :))

corazon

01/11/2012 20:12

i am too a catholic, and I so disagree with those statements.
but i still have faith. :))
they're priests-meaning humans, they're not God. :))

Maddy

01/12/2012 04:30

Exactly! I hope they read this.

Anonymous

01/12/2012 08:22

This person clearly doesn't know what he is talking about. I say he should step down from his position, because he doesn't deserve being an archbishop. I thought the church was supposed to help us with our faith, not destroy it. Big ignorant.

Chi

01/11/2012 04:07

what the hell? I'm trying to be a good christian here. But with this kind of stupidity in the Caholic Church, I am beginnning to have second thoughts. Really! Is it the infertile people's faults that they could not conceive? With the statement that they gave, they are making it look like those infertile people are useless to begin with. are they planning to ostracize the infertile people just like in the old times? Another bout of discrimination will arise with this kind of development.

kinomon

01/11/2012 05:30

i agree with this. i mean, seriously! what, so they're infertile, they'll just have to live the rest of their lives alone and miserable? no, i do not agree with the church on this. So what if she can't get pregnant, doesn't mean i can't marry her.
and further more, so the purpose of marrige is to have kids? there are so many people on this planet as it is, it would be fine to not have kids, though it is a nice feeling (not that i know, yet). Seriously, i'm kinda pissed by this... i don't know what else to say...

marko

01/11/2012 07:14

With the statement that they gave, they are making it look like those infertile people are useless to begin

-yep, that's what they are trying to say.. useless.. pure bs

Erin

01/11/2012 04:14

I'm sorry but this is just stupid. I'm a Roman Catholic student and I believe you got the that statement from the Bible wrong for you to be OA like this.

God didn't put in the scriptures nor said in any of those sentences that couples will NOT be allowed to marry because the other one is infertile.

Nakasaad lang dun eh BE FERTILE AND MULTIPLY. Hindi MANDATORY ang maging fertile. Eh sa kung ganun sya ginawa ni God anong magagawa nyo?

Its like this: the person was created that way by Him because GOD HAS A PLAN FOR THAT PERSON. Its either a MIRACLE would happen years after (take note of what happened to Elizabeth) or their purpose is to ADOPT a child that needs a family.

ron

01/11/2012 04:30

i agree

brilums link

01/11/2012 05:13

Well said.

observer

01/11/2012 05:52

Well said.

Aaron

01/11/2012 06:14

Couldn't agree more.

Chris

01/11/2012 07:12

I came here to say that....
.
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Though seriously.. this is just plain bullshit. i mean.. what's with this? our church's beginning to be a whole lot like a cult.. FANATIC.. you don't take the bible literally.. sheesh.. to think we are listening to your preaches.

Telly

01/11/2012 17:00

Very well said

autumnleaf

01/11/2012 19:05

nice one!

anonymous

01/11/2012 20:58

I so agree. So many couples out there can't have their own children. They didn't know they were infertile before they got married? Kailangan ba ngayon gawin mandatory na ipacheck ang fertility ng isang lalaki at babae? Hindi ba pwede mag-adopt? Having children is not the end all and be all of marriage.

Daniel

01/11/2012 04:27

I'am Roman Catholic, the archbishops are going to far. what the hell they are thinking!? this is BULLSHIT!

01/11/2012 04:33

This is why a lot of people turn away from God.

It's just very sad to see how those who claim that they received a "call" from God that's why they became priests and whatever have the balls to do this to other people who are also God's creatures.

God doesn't judge or discriminate. I don't understand why priests do.

01/11/2012 07:20

yup. God doesn't.. Just like the pharisees and other sects during Jesus' time. That's why He always corrects what they are doing because they are too focused on the law and not on the grace

01/11/2012 08:06

People don't really turn away from God. They merely turn away from people who think they can hear God. The Catholic church always dictates what God says, feels, hears etc...to the point of control. Very well done.

Gab

01/11/2012 04:41

kasalanan pa ng tao na maging infertile? full of shit! marriage is a commitment full of love and faithfulness. If they want to have children, then they can adopt orphans! nakatulong ka pa.

Lorie

01/11/2012 04:42

feels angry at first, then turns to sadness for we have leaders like them..
the catholic leaders need prayers, they are judging, discriminating and forgetting the word "Miracles" that only God can do....they are thinking out of God's will...

rmutia

01/11/2012 04:43

Holy shit. Literally.

kris

01/11/2012 06:27

hahahaha

Nono

01/11/2012 20:23

OMG. HAHAHA

Maria

01/11/2012 04:58

Kaya wala akong relihiyon e. Panginoon lang at ako.

RyRy

01/11/2012 06:31

ako rin

RootedinFaith

01/12/2012 08:52

that's not possible. How will you know that you're doing what God wants you to do? Faith is not a matter of what you want but what God wants. This is hard to explain, and even harder to understand. But, that's why we have faith.
It was just alarming to hear of this kind of news. But, when I hear these kind of stories about priests or any other Church officials, I just think of what someone (I think my father) has once told me..." Ang mga pari ay parang basahan, gingamit sila na panglinis, pero, hindi nangangahulugan na malinis sila.." (Priests are like rags used for cleaning, but it obviously does not mean that they are clean themselves). That's why we need to also pray for them.

Kratos

01/11/2012 05:03

Im a catholic but i think this is really shit,, i think if someone wants to get married, fertile or not, they should be allowed, unless of course the church wants people to just "live-in" or just transfer to other religion.

anne

01/11/2012 05:20

this is bullshit! i'm a roman catholic, and after reading this i can't help but question the credibility and decision making skills of the people Catholics look up to.

InfinitySquared

01/11/2012 05:27

Just what the fuck?

Sui Generis

01/11/2012 05:28

I'm 16 and a catholic.. But, because of this statement from none other than the bishop himself and from the comments I've read. I'm honestly having second thoughts of staying in this religion.

The church should be the purest and also the most compassionate form of authority. This is very much crossing the line, I've heard a lot of silly proclamations coming from them but, this is just way too exaggerated.

It is no one's fault that either the man or woman is infertile, why do they dare to question this when this is what God wanted them to be?

It's saddens me, I want to be closer to God but with these kind of people ruling the Catholic Church I am considering changing my faith and hoping for the best to be a Christian girl instead. Although I do believe that so long as we have faith in Him, no matter what religion you are in, it does not matter.

To think, our teachers work so hard for us to have masses on the first Friday of the month, so that we can listen to the priests homily and bask in Gods prescence.. This is what is happening in the world of Catholicism? Shame on them, sorry to say, but SHAME on them.

How can do God's Will when they themselves cannot be true to themselves or even have any tinge of respect to other people.

yow

01/11/2012 15:03

My dear , do't base your faith on people, read you bible and know the truth, sometimes looking up to people can mislead us, so go back to its author. And yes its not about religion, religion does not save you, it wont save your soul. Its not about religion its about your relationship. Plus being a christian is not only base on how many masses you've been to. Keep your faith in God.

Wil

01/11/2012 05:31

Fuck this fuck'n Catholic church!

Ebs

01/11/2012 05:34

eh kung sapakin natin ng sobrang lakas ang bayag ng Archbishop Cruz?

iSigawq

01/11/2012 05:52

I am one of those INFERTILE people, who are classified as a HERMAPHRODITE or INTERSEX condition. We doesn't wanted this kind of condition and situation, we as a third sex generation, we are prone to discrimination and insults from people who doesn't understand us, that's why we are hiding this secrets but people must be educated about this kind of condition. PRIESTS of the CATHOLIC CHURCH is not GOD! They are only HUMANS and not the perfect ONE! For now, the only thing I can trust is the Bible and Our GOD.

lolreligion

01/11/2012 18:55

They believe that God made you, and you don't really have a choice because you were born with this condition. Don't be ashamed of it!
They don't have the right to take away your rights. And based on THEIR beliefs God made you in his image! If they deny or renounce you they are essentially renouncing their faith as well because they cannot cherry pick who are considered children of God.

0827

01/11/2012 06:04

this is just absurd! it's not like it's a choice to be infertile! if God wants us all to be fertile then he might have made us all capable of reproduction...i am a catholic and i believe that God has made plans for all of us. what if God has made this couple infertile because he wants them to be the one to save an orphan/s. think about it, one doesn't simply say, "oh, i will get married but only because it is the only possible way that i can have legal sex with another person." they get married because of love, love that is supposed to be invincible and strong enough that not even the biological incapacity of one person to contribute to conception, which he/she didn't choose to have, is supposed to stop it.

kopa

01/11/2012 06:06

philippines could would be better off with a low birth rate...

Freelance

01/11/2012 06:45

meaning?

luis

01/11/2012 06:12

Are we going back to the medieval times? This belief is completely absurd and downright offensive. Sin is something we DO. It is not something we are BORN WITH. Is there no separation between the state and the church anymore? We should also think that God created those who are fertile AND those who are infertile. This article will lead to the thinking that God made those infertile people just so they could commit a mortal sin which NOT TRUE.

I respect the idea that this is only one man's opinion but then again, one man's ideals can change the whole system so we cannot let this one man step on those infertile people who are doing nothing wrong. The priests' job is to educate the people that we should share God's love and this man is definitely NOT doing that MAIN ASPECT of his job. How can he share God's love if he tries to instill this kind of rude judgement on such innocent people?

Meh

01/11/2012 06:14

I just want to leave the Catholic religion because of this. This is just stupid and leaders like him are full of crap. Way to proclaim your "calling", douche.

RoadworthyMan

01/11/2012 06:17

what! this is MEDIEVAL school of thinking...the essence of family is LOVE not procreation...even INFERTILE couple can adopt and show LOVE to raise a GOD-fearing and PRODUCTIVE citizen...Christ promoted and taught LOVE not SEX...if this is the TRUE stand of the Church then I hope they reconsider for it may lead to HER downfall...if VATICAN III is necessary, then they must do so....

Concerned

01/11/2012 06:21

This is just sad, no wonder many are turned off by Christianity :| I hope people will put into mind that the Catholic faith does not represent Christianity completely. It is just one type of it, a religion, albeit one with many flaws and mistakes.

I guess this is what happens when people look up to mere humans as a role model for one's Christian life... they end up getting disappointed and doubting their beliefs. Instead of focusing on these priests and the dogmas and doctrines that they invent, one should rather focus on his/her personal relationship with Christ. Priests are nothing but humans, and thus they make mistakes, even if it's as stupid as this... we have to point the difference between what comes from God and what comes from their own opinions. It's amazing and really really awful that people who claim themselves as "annointed by God" can manage to not just misinterpret, but to pervert God's words by misquoting and giving them a different meaning compared to what they truly imply. This is why I highly encourage Catholics to open their minds, read their Bible, pray to God, and strengthen their relationship with Him to truly know what His word is. Priests are nothing but instruments of the Catholic faith. Remember, the only way to the Father is through Him, Jesus Christ... NOT through the Catholic faith.. Focus on your relationship with God and not with your religion! :)

meh

01/11/2012 09:02

I agree with you. Relationship > religion.

Cannot Potato

01/11/2012 06:31

And again, the Italian adage "The mother of all idiots is always pregnant" is proven true. It just sucks that one of the leaders of the Catholic Church is one of them.

juan

01/11/2012 06:33

dear cbcp,
i understand that it must be very difficult for you guys to be restricted from having sex. tonight before i go to bed, i shall pray for your bachelor souls. if this is not enough sign of my sincerity, i shall profess as a devotion making passionate love with my wife every night and procreating all the children i can't support and naming each one of them after you.

Stefan Punongbayan link

01/11/2012 06:33

Sinabi ko dating para consistent ang lohika ng Simbahan Katoliko, dapat bawal mag-asawa ang mga baog kung bawal ang same-sex marriage dahil procreation ang sentro ng konsepto ng kasal.

Looks like I just gave them an idea. The Catholic Church is bound to fail.

Sometimes I just want to quit my species and live the rest of my life as a llama.

Meoki

01/11/2012 10:48

Game. I'll be a carrot.

UNBELIEVABLE

01/11/2012 06:36

Is he INSANE? Clearly even he cannot stay away from flesh when he should have been the role model. SHAME. Poor innocent people attacked by a senseless man. Procreation may have been one of the purposes of marriage but God never said that we are not allowed to be married to the one we LOVE if we cannot procreate, did He? I thought the purpose of marriage is to be WITH THE ONE YOU LOVE. Just coz he cannot marry doesn't mean he has to drag everyone else with him. Sorry for the word, but I find this incredibly uncalled for. This is what I feel for this matter.

Natz

01/11/2012 06:42

Dear Bishop,

You're statement regarding infertile people is quite "intriguing". However, with all due respect let me ask you a few questions. Is it the person's fault to be infertile? Are you saying that their very condition of being so is evil? Are they damned for being as such? Because in my opinion, they only lack the ability to reproduce. I don't think it's their fault of being as such either.

Sincerely,
-Nats

superkulisap

01/11/2012 06:42

Is this some kind of publicity, huh? Archbishop?

01/11/2012 06:43

im catholic. i like jesus. never did like cbcp. never believed we should follow priest's words word per word (or any religious official for that matter). they're just people.

a lot of times, i think the religious are just like politicians. maybe not all, but so many of them live in this secluded world. it's almost like they don't know the problems of our nation. i believe the divine would like what is best for his creation. keep pro-creating? really? jesus always did favor the spirit of the law during his time rather than the law word per word. like what is stated in the previous comments, there is nothing like this in the bible. in this case, god is simply telling us to procreate, so our species may have many generations, but he never said anything about this.

i don't know how getting married when you're infertile is a sin! in fact, who is he to say that the infertile are committing mortal sins in the eyes of god! he is not god!

still a catholic, btw. i just hate it when stuff like this happens.

Lian link

01/11/2012 06:46

Does it really have to be this way? Seriously...

Reformist

01/11/2012 07:03

So it was a mortal sin for father Abraham to marry Sarah, his barren wife?

This is just too much for the Catholic church.

I am a catholic

01/11/2012 07:05

I think infertile people should still marry......and adopt those poor kids in the orphanages if they still want to have kids....i don't see anything immoral with this set-up....i see a family

J. Ramos

01/11/2012 07:15

uh-huh. what happens if a man and a woman get married with every intention to have kids, but it isn't in God's plan for them to do so?

like, is it just me, or are the ungodly trying to be God?

G.T.

01/11/2012 07:16

Roman Catholic/Anglican-Episcopalian (oh what the hell just say I'm Christian) here, and I'm one of the throngs who think this motion is total BS. Then again, it's the CBCP being the CBCP, no less than their usual standard of utter stupidity.

I'd like to think that when, by ritual, the priest says "Go forth and multiply," he didn't mean just children. He would also imply that they should multiply the number of believers in Christ (a la pyramid thingamajig). Isn't that, after all, the mission of all Christians? (whether you're Catholic or Christian or(ry(ry(ry)

piggybank

01/11/2012 07:16

fuck this shit!!!!! OMG that guy is crazy!!!

TIREDofTHEnonsense

01/11/2012 07:21

When I travel, do I have a CBCP passport? Do I pay my taxes to the government?

They can reject the secular rights that people must be protected under the State all they want. But for them to make bully the government into discriminating against people who do not wish to follow their teachings on morality, that's when I draw the line.

kingon link

01/11/2012 07:24

can't we marry because of love?!!
love is something that is vital to us... and banning marriage from the people mentioned is like depriving them from one fountain source of it!!!!FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!!

Marcel

01/11/2012 07:27

I would just like to share that there is no religion that can save people. Only Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, can save us. Having a real relationship with Him is the only way to eternal life. That's why it doesn't matter if you're a catholic or a non-catholic believer. If you have a genuine relationship with Christ, you're headed to heaven no matter what.

With regards to this topic, why are they trying to enforce this? Is it a person's fault if he or she is infertile? And yes, the main purpose of marriage in the Bible is to procreate. But the Bible did not state that a person should not be wed because of their inability to do so. The Archbishop is trying to make his own rules instead of following the Bible.

Kevin

01/11/2012 07:32

What happened to people marrying for love's sake? Bishop's trying to be a joker. "What is there that comes from marrying them? Nothing! They are two, they remain two, they die two". So might wanna ask you the same question, what is there that comes for being not married until you die? nothing. you're alone. you remain alone, you die alone. Bishop, with all due respect, I'm afraid that your statement is not a fact but rather, a self-supported opinion. Please don't abuse your position. You're judging by your own will great one. - from a fcking Catholic.

Common Sense

01/11/2012 07:46

Just like zechariah and elizabeth. Common sense naman manong oscar. Oh sorry! dapat pala most reverend oscar cruz hahaha (Most reverend ang tawag sa kanila. Eh puro panghahalay at pananamantala ang ginagawa nila
)

Ibarra

01/11/2012 07:51

remember the Pharisees? Saducees????
DAMASO!!!
Leeg ng tinolang manok ang sa iyo obispo!

dafuq

01/11/2012 07:52

The catholic church always think that they are the only one who is right in every issue that is being touched by religion. Welcome to the dark ages, people.

non-believerofcatholicchurch

01/11/2012 07:59

This is so medieval!!!!

Someone

01/11/2012 08:01

D po porket solo kayo sa buong buhay nyo ee.. idadamay nyo ang mga taong pwedeng mag mahal, at pakasalan ang taong mahal nila.. regardless kung infertile man un isa at hindi madadagdagan un family nila na binuo under oath..

para san pa ang orphanage? share your blessings to others nga naman db?

parang ewan lng.. hindi po tinitake literally ang bible.

wag bitter. pinili nyo maging solo sa buong buhay nyo, calling per se, still.. mali na yan.

ZCELpogi

01/11/2012 08:05

ANO KAYO!! DIYOS??? KAINIS!! ANG KASAL LANG BUH AY UMIIKOT SA SEX?? o PAGMAMAHALAN NG DALAWANG TAO???

relle

01/11/2012 08:06

I wonder if they did their reading well because marriage shouldn't be about procreating only. It should be about love and learning. I thought they read the bible well enough to understand that this statement in condemning people. I thought we were taught by our God to love each other no matter what. Gays, handicapped, infertile people - the list goes on.

Our faith has lots of good stuff in it, a lot we can learn from but its people like this "priest" who make me agitated about my religion. That's why I don't go to church or even appreciate religious officials. God has given me the freedom to communicate with him by myself in my own ways...

BTW This is an insult to females and males who can't bear children but want to.

SRSLY

01/11/2012 08:12

From what I remember, Abraham and Sarah, according to the bible, had difficulties conceiveing a child too, and yet God accepted and even blessed them wilth children later on.
Upon reading this, I was reminded of how Catholisicm was used by the Spaniards to colonize our ancestors.

AHUH

01/11/2012 21:20

and isn't it the Romans who tortured and nailed Christ on the cross?

Jayy

01/11/2012 08:13

WHAT IS THIS? Grabe talaga. I used to be Catholic, myself. I guess you guys can pretty much see why I no longer am? I don't revolt against Catholicism per se, but we just gotta agree that this is going too far. I'm all for God and all that, but seriously...think about it...Do these words sound like something God, Himself, would tell us?
When we get married, we make a pledge to stick with our spouse the rest of our lives NO MATTER WHAT. We don't say that we're gonna stick with them forever and ever, unless you can't get pregnant. As if it's their fault that they can't bear a child? God said that marriage is a union of a man and a woman. Why should the person's disposition on fertility get in the way of that?

The Catholic Church should know when NOT to take things overboard...

Meynard link

01/11/2012 08:14

I am living up in believing the Bible and the Lord. And I would like to say that I totally disagree to this because our purpose here on earth is to LOVE and not to JUST MULTIPLY if that's what you mean.

Mlecruz

01/11/2012 08:19

This is why I don't believe in religion. Sure, religion teaches lesson on morality and that is good. But because of people like these I lost faith in religion. I still believe in a higher power though...

grv

01/11/2012 08:23

THIS IS SO STUPID. Does it really have to be this way? :/

jdg

01/11/2012 08:27

after all these shits by catholicism since time immemorial, it takes more than stupidity and fanaticism to stay catholic. question: why is it that there are still so many catholics? answer: IQ.

Angeline Ramos

01/11/2012 08:32

Buti pa nga sila kahit walang anak, mamatay nang magkasama. Eh kesa naman sa'yo MOST HIGH BISHOP OSCAR CRUZ, mamamatay kang nag-iisa!!! *how sad* Hahahahaha! LOL. Remember the quote??? "Two is better than one." UL*L!!! XD

Joe Campos link

01/11/2012 08:37

Okay. This is just so absurd.

This statement by Oscar Cruz, forbidding people to marry, is a doctrine of Satan, as said by 1 Tim 4:1-4.

"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer."

This is one of the many reasons (apart from idolatry, hypocrisy, etc.) why I left the Roman "Church." Cruz's statement is a humiliating manifestation to the Roman "Catholic" community.

AHUH

01/11/2012 21:30

and they should change the vows recited in weddings...IN SICKNESS, AND IN HEALTH...TILL DEATH DO WE PART. tsk tsk tsk

ppp

01/11/2012 08:39

Pangingi-alam sa buhay ng may buhay, More Fun in the Philippines.

Japh M.

01/11/2012 08:42

this is bordering on insane!!! infertility is out of our control. we shouldn't be restricted by our faith from marrying someone we love just because we can't bear any children! the infertile couple can adopt a child in the orphanage, if they really wanted a child. one less impoverished kid, no population increase.

Not that i'm Catholic, but I feel for my aunt and uncle who don't have any children. seriously. >:(

FTW

01/11/2012 08:44

Potato brains si Secrecy, imba comment comment kapa.

01/11/2012 08:46

This is bullshit

Bogart

01/11/2012 08:52

If you think about it, there are a lot of contradictions between the ideas of the Catholic church and the Bible itself.

These are just some of my opinions.. so yeah don't read if you're closed minded :P

1. HAIL Mary?
Where is this in the Bible? and do you actually notice that it is an act of worship to Mary? (Hail Mary) With all due respect to Mary, she is just the chosen woman to bear Jesus Christ. Yes, we should give respect but NOT worship.

2. Political Church?
Why did they make the Vatican City? It's more of a tourist spot and the funds used to make the extravagant city can feed millions of hungry mouths. Also, the Pope being the representative of Jesus Christ on Earth? Oh please... This is NOT in the Bible. If your reference is the verse when Jesus tells Peter, "on this rock I will build my Church", He is NOT referring to Peter but Peter's previous words, which were "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God". now THAT is the rock of the Church. Not Peter, definitely not the Pope. (see Mat. 16:16-18)

3. And now this? Please... their reasons are just plain nonsense.
As a Christian I honestly do not see WHY an infertile couple should not get married. In the old testament itself it shows Abraham & Sarah and Elizabeth & Zachariah being barren but were still married. These priests remind me of those pharisees' mosaic law of do's and don'ts. This is what we call a legalistic faith. What the Catholic priests are actually focusing on are the problems that aren't important. What they should address are the controversial pedophile priest issues, the Catholic Irish terrorist bombings, keeping secrets in the Vatican, (what is for God should not be kept a secret unless you are hiding something), extravagant spending of the church and many more. Maybe God gave the couple infertility for a certain reason - to help adopt children with no parents.

SomePeople

01/11/2012 14:30

I agree with you sir... They are just so proud of their selfves.

Just when I thought that their "idolatry" is low enough. Now this issue comes up and I couldn't believe that this "church" is so blinded.

Starting from the priests who are called "leaders" of the church. DISAPPOINTING.

Why not handle first your "CELIBACY" issue before poking your noses on "MARRIED" couples. It's amazing how one, "Who's not into sexual stuff and into marriage", knows a lot about married life.

You don't say "Archbishop"... You don't say....

anon

01/11/2012 08:52

You know what's funny? You say laws like this from the olden times are unbelievably stupid and unnecessary but still, you discriminate against homosexuals. Why? Because the Bible said it's said all these other f*ckery is wrong. The same Bible that said that wearing garments made of different cloth is wrong and other asinine f*ckery.

I hate how you people handpick which "rules" you want to follow and throw the rest in a drum, fill it with cement, and toss the said drum in the river.

I won't say that Catholics are idiots. They're ignorant. And I actually pity them for not being able to make their own decisions and live their own lives because they are forever bound by the fear of some invisible man in the sky.

happy atheist

01/11/2012 08:53

Try atheism, at the very least, you don't have to bother with church on Sundays and you don't have to subscribe to these hypocrites. The bible? cool storybook bro.

Ai link

01/11/2012 09:03

This is so sad. They are supposed to be leaders of the people of God but they themselves are discriminating people. What a load of B.S.! Bawal ikasal ang infertile? Nalito ako dito. Hindi ba tinituro sa school na marriage is about love and fidelity? Anong nangyari dun? Tsk tsk.

Daryl

01/11/2012 09:18

Why can't it be? is it because they failed to multiply and fill the earth and subdue it? What I mean is having a baby/babies. okay, I believe in Divine Providence but they love each other. They, otherwise, abuse the rights of people. Its people after all. Fuck!

unknown

01/11/2012 09:43

"Even with the separation of church and state, if you cannot get married according to the standards of the Catholic Church, other religions has no right to marry you either." - Aside from the bishop saying that infertile people must not marry because they can't fulfill the purpose of procreation, I also got annoyed with this statement.

Yes, I am a Catholic, but where in the world did my religion had the "power" to dictate over other religion's rights like marrying two infertile people? I want to believe that my religion is God's religion and I believe that this bishop is just some kind of a lost follower who does not really understand the teachings of God. It's just so sad that he has become a bishop with such erroneous thoughts. I respect other beliefs and if they want to marry infertile people, then please do so.

And yeah, I agree with all the people who said that infertile people are still God's people since He Himself made them and He must have made them to serve other purposes in life.

anon

01/11/2012 09:44

Allahu Akhbar!

roger

01/11/2012 09:44

fucking medieval phedopile clergiez

Santo-santito link

01/11/2012 09:45

My reaction to this issue, yea, as outraged as these people who preceded me...

wala 'tong pinagkaiba sa issue ng RH bill. same old story, rooted from these hypocrites' ill-Advised opinions. minsan napapaisip ako...the catholic church is like creating another authority with their own sets of rules, laws, restrictions etc na wala namang sapat na basehan...

kung sabihin man nila...priests are the instruments of the catholic faith i must say that these instruments are off-tuned. at ako man, naririndi na rin sa kanila.

do they practice what they preach...HINDI din. thats why i seldom go to church.

666Priest

01/11/2012 09:50

mga putang ina nyo mga FATHER SHIT.....I'm willing to change religion this is what I hate being a Catholic .

dan

01/11/2012 10:00

Ano ba yan dyos ba sila para sabihin yun?! Tao lang sila makasalanan din! Wag mag marunong!!! Naniniwala ako sa dyos pero sila katangahan ang sinasabi nila!"!

manny

01/11/2012 10:06

I can't help but state that this is the most stupid statement I have read from a member of the Catholic Church!

lawin

01/11/2012 10:11

I guess we shouldn't really be surprised. This is the same church who used to burn heretics on the stake, censor anything that contradicted their doctrine, wage war on societies with different beliefs, and sold indulgences to the masses. I'd sooner worship Bathala and Amihan than believe in this "God" that the Spaniards so vehemently forced the ancient Filipinos to believe in.

ren

01/11/2012 10:26

Who the hell are you to say those words?!!! Tangina mo tao ka lang wag lang magmalinis! Putang ina mo kapal ng mukha mo hindi ka dyos! Tao ka lang!!!mamatay ka na putang ina wala ka pinag aralan!

assassin's creed

01/11/2012 10:36

I am a Catholic but what that bishop is saying is really out of line. He got one passage from the bible then suddenly created his own version and law, What the heck is going into his mind? Masyadong pakialamero sa maling sense...Tsk tsk tsk! Di kasalanan ng magasawa kung di sila mabibiyayaan ng anak, at lalong di puedeng pakialaman ng Poncio Pilato na yan ang kasal ng dalawang nagmamahalan..Inutil yan! Tangina this talaga!

rookrey

01/11/2012 10:42

Joachim and Anne, parents of Mary, were supposedly infertile until Divine Intervention. Double standards nanaman. Just another reason why so many people call us Catholics hypocrites.

‎"..they are two, they remain two and they die two"...whatever happened to Faith and Hope in God, 2 of the 3 theological virtues preached by the Church? Archbishop is being used by the devil to shoo away more people from the Church in this age of intense spiritual warfare and he doesn't realize it.

Gale

01/11/2012 10:48

Priests feel FOREVER ALONE... that's why they also want others to share their fate... WOW... Marriage is about love... sexual conjugation is about SHOWING your love to your partner in real experience. God gave sex as a gift to MARRIED COUPLES. It's a pleasure, yes, but exclusive for the husband and wife. So what? If they're only two, they still share their love together and if they share it with God, then they'll be three! :D

FB'ier

01/11/2012 11:00

LIKE!

Gico Dayanghirang

01/11/2012 11:05

This statement by Bishop Oscar Cruz is simply outrageous!

River Phoenix Pasig

01/11/2012 11:39

Spirituality unites mankind. It's religion that divides it.

Atheist

01/11/2012 11:43

fuck them including the black nazarene devotees.

StupidFalseReligion

01/11/2012 12:01

Stupid catholic religion
They're making their own laws

wth

01/11/2012 12:22

Issues about religion:

Hey, I have good news with you!

We don't need a RELIGION for us to be saved what we need most is a RELATIONSHIP with GOD.

dan

01/11/2012 13:13

nako CBCP. galitin niyo ang liberal thinkers. kayo din. mawawalan kayo ng followers. walang magbibigay ng abuloy sa mass. mawawalan kayo ng pondo. mawawalan kayo ng pambili sa mga magagara niyong kasuotan at mga gintong anik-anik.

Reed

01/11/2012 13:28

Things like this are one if the reasons I'm a Pagan. The Catholic religion really is a beautiful one, but statements like these really make me angry. Some people are infertile because of surgeries, or they were just birn that way. Your telling me people are now not allowed to marry because of things that were out of there control?! My opinion of the Catholic Church is being lowered everyday.

SomePeople

01/11/2012 14:27

Just when I thought that their "idolatry" is low enough. Now this issue comes up and I couldn't believe that this "church" is so blinded.

Starting from the priests who are called "leaders" of the church. DISAPPOINTING.

Why not handle first your "CELIBACY" issue before poking your noses on "MARRIED" couples. It's amazing how one, "Who's not into sexual stuff and into marriage", knows a lot about married life.

You don't say "Archbishop"... You don't say....

ela

01/11/2012 14:37

WTF??! Is this guy for real?

He's actually saying marriage is but legal sex and procreation...? and since when did Catholic Church start becoming some sort of a standard among religious groups?

I think Archbishop Oscar Cruz might want to be more cautious with what he says for I believe this thing here is one big piece of shit...

Mistu Simpow link

01/11/2012 15:34

Everyone, its time for us to convert to Christians.

chris b.

01/11/2012 15:37

What the f*ck?! Sinabi ba ng diyos ng catholics yan? Kaya may mga taong pinipili maging agnostic gaya ko dahil sa mga baluktot nabpagpapapropaga ng mga paniniwalang senseless. Feeble minded arguments and monopolizng views of setting standards s pagsasama at buhay ng tao.

Daryl King Dimaapi

01/11/2012 15:51

Para sa akin parang sinasabi nilang magpakamatay na lahat ng infertile na tao!!! kapag hindi kasal tapos you engage in doing pre-marital sex kasalanan. ngayon naman ang hindi magkaanak bawal ikasal.

Leonard

01/11/2012 16:38

So I guess this new the rules - You have to do fertility test and nine to ten months before wedding the couple should engage in pre-marital sex to confirm accuracy of fertility test.

venus

01/11/2012 16:58

i believe in god but i don't believe in the system, because of this people. it's not the person's fault that he/she is born infertile? this is what you call something stupid.

Daisy

01/11/2012 16:59

My husband and I have been wanting to have a baby after almost 4 yrs of marriage. I have a polycystic condition which I only found out after marriage and have female officemates who have the same problem. Like my couple friends, my husband and I so want to have children and are committed and undergoing expensive medical help just to have a baby.

So I am just freakin’ mad that this bishop dare say couples like us shouldn’t have been married… I am a strong devout Catholic because my honest father serves the Church as a lay minister since I was one and so my family has been deeply rooted to the Catholic faith. But sometimes, my husband and I usually get so disappointed listening to a screaming judgmental priest share his homily and tell people are going to hell, or express his lengthy opinion about a political issue, or spend 30 mins homily just explaining one word deriviation used in the Bible times… And this now here, is one of the main reasons why I’ll agree with my husband that we might as well seek other religion for spiritual growth. Catholic priests, please naman, you yourselves cause your “flock” to seek other pastures.

So… following the Church’s non-premarital sex teaching, how the heck would couples know they’re infertile before they’d get married? So now, they’d require “fertility test results” in their “Checklist of Requirements for Marriage”, together with the Baptismal, Confirmation Certificates and CENOMAR? How sarcastically funny!!!!! And would they now “tie up” with the govt to give this free?! Because otherwise, why would a couple spend for it? As long as they’re in love, they’d get married!

“FAITH, HOPE, and the GREATEST AMONG THESE IS LOVE”? CATHOLIC CHURCH, Whatever happened, to your teaching about this? Isn’t this enough to bind a man and woman together?… And let me also quote, “What God has put together, no man shall put asunder..” Archbishop Cruz, aren’t you just Man? Why would we freakin’ listen to you and threaten to break our marriage apart? Shouldn’t you also be questioned defying the teachings you teach?!

faithful

01/11/2012 20:07

There can be MIRACLES.. when you believe!!!

non-stamp-collector link

01/11/2012 21:07

So I guess amputees don't believe because god doesn't make miracles for them.

Arge

01/11/2012 17:10

Yaan nio nlng xa... matanda na yan eh... hahaha.. para daw may kadamay xa kasi they can't marry eh..

John

01/11/2012 17:25

I never thought an archbishop of a churchscam will be this stupid.

vinni

01/11/2012 17:30

archbishop oscar cruz! have u ever been in love? X.x

01/11/2012 17:33

its kinda hard to wipe out 400 years of spanish catholic programming.

this is one of the tenets of the catholic church mind you. but thats where the supposed separation of church and state has to intervene.

unfortunately, we still are in the old colonial programming with religion and the government are one.

youreajerk

01/11/2012 17:34

hahaha. di ba sa catholic church, bawal or kasalanan ang premarital sex? how would a couple know na hindi sila makapag-procreate before marriage? sup. so is it like the church is suggesting na pwede na i-legalize ang divorce since its the only way you can separate infertile couples who are 'walang kwenta' sa pag-go ahead and mulptiply?
i dont see why this bishop and the catholic church are doing these silly stuff. *excommunicates self *

youreajerk

01/11/2012 17:34

Trying to get pregnant

01/11/2012 17:38

I have been married for three years, and my husband & I have been trying to get pregnant. I was diagnosed with infertility and the doctors can't figure out why, although I also have endometriosis. Ire-revoke ba ng simbahan ang kasal ko? Sabi ng simbahan ang pinagsama ng Diyos hindi pwedeng paghiwalayin ng tao. Baka si Archbishop lang may kapangyarihan na paghiwalayin kami.

Anonymous

01/11/2012 17:51

That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. No wonder the Pope accepted his resignation early.

QuoVadis

01/11/2012 18:00

Archbishop? or maybe we should call him Arch enemy?

sef gutierrez link

01/11/2012 18:03

“What is there to believe Archbishop Oscar Cruz? Nothing! He is only one, he will remain one, and he will die alone!.” GTFO!

Random Citizen

01/11/2012 18:04

This just proves that the Church can't fully understand what religion really means and what it is for. They are becoming more sacramental than being able to fully lead Christians to the real truth about religion.. to have a closer relationship with God and acknowledge His Greatness.

Naks

01/11/2012 18:14

Sounds like the bishop is jealous.

Besides, if you're a good Christian and wait until after marriage to have sex, it's unlikely that you'll find out that you're infertile!

And he makes it sound like the sole purpose of marriage is to spit forth new spawn and sustain the human species.

Carolina link

01/11/2012 18:26

Pakisabi kay Oscar Crus, putang ina nya!

tsk.. tsk

01/12/2012 05:06

and he himself should go to hell!

blitz

01/11/2012 18:30

Wow, so is he telling that any infertile couple would be sinners? He did not know how will it affect both infertile couples. Sana man lang iniisip nya tong argument.

ANTI OSCAR CRUZ

01/11/2012 18:32

dear OSCAR CRUZ,

do u suggest pre-marital sex??? who do u think you are to say that infertile couple can't marry? do u think it's the couple's fault if they are infertile? ur suppose to encourage couple who can't conceive to adopt a child to lessen abortion or unborn child.
pity on you OSCAR CRUZ! il just pray for ur soul in HELL!

sonnie T

01/11/2012 18:38

the archbishop should try to marry.. he didn't know what he's talking.

Zyl Hayes

01/11/2012 18:43

I can't imagine a God with the same line of thinking as that of Archbishop Cruz. Those bishops and priests don't play the game, what would qualify them to make the rules? Don't tell me it is a revelation from God - He does not contradict Himself. That must have come from the devil - everyone can tell except the bishops and the priests.

Sie

01/11/2012 18:53

nag iiba na talaga ang pananaw ng mga tao ngaun. this is nonsense. how could they say that! Ginawa ng Dyos ang tao, niloob nya kung hindi man sya pwedeng magkaanak. Ginawa nya tayong pantay- pantay sa mata nya. Pero bakit ganito? ang mga taong dapat nagtuturo ng mga ganitong bagay ay sya pang sumasalungat sa tama at dapat.

freddo

01/11/2012 18:55

i do not know about other priests. what i know is that in my city two(2) priest had sex with women not their wives that is why the other has 3 grown-up children and the other one an active priest,
has a kid too by a woman not his wife. ang babait nila. hehe

Judie

01/11/2012 19:04

It doesn't matter kung ilan kayo in the family as long as your happy together. Rubbish!

anonymous

01/11/2012 19:04

I LOVE GOD, BUT I HATE PEOPLE WHO ACT LIKE GOD

RIDER555

01/11/2012 19:05

This is no longer the age of the Spanish Friars! This is the age of free thinking and speech, where the Blessed John Paul II respects all manner of freedom, and understands love between two people despite being infertile. Hanggang ngayon, age of the dinosaur pa rin mga rules ng Catholism dito.

...

01/11/2012 19:06

i just hope that all these comments can be read by CBCP. they need to know the cons of their statements. they need to open their views to the fact that infertility or not be able to have kids is not a mortal sin that should be punished by their church. RH bill is different from infertility issues. so don't mixed up with your statements against RH bill and infertility.

Ano daw

01/11/2012 19:07

Wow! just wow!

Can

01/11/2012 19:12

who in their right mind would comment something like this.. cold-hearted inhumane hypocrite crap of a leader..mga bitter lang ang mag-aagree sa mga pinagsasasabi nang Archbishop na yan,. I strongly believe that this man is not speaking in behalf of God. Our loving God would never want us to be miserable and alone in this world.

crazy

01/11/2012 19:12

this is utterly crazy. first, the Holiness of the Lord is INCLUSIVE and not discriminatory. it gives us the freedom to LOVE, and if it is unfortunate of people to not bear children they still have the right to love and be loved!

vonito

01/11/2012 19:15

why not stop commenting Archbishop Oscar Cruz... magmisa ka na lang!!! what do you know about marriage??? hindi mo naman yun naexperience... this is the sole reason why more catholics are converting... maxadong mababaw ang teachings... hai..

kuting

01/11/2012 19:23

tas bawal ang pre-marital sex? eh pano mo malalaman kung pwede kang mag-kaanak? irerequire na din ang medical cert bago ikasal sa simbahan? Oh well, di naman nila mapipigilan mga tao kasi may civil wedding naman, mas MURA pa! :D

kdalak

01/12/2012 04:17

pag LDS (mormon) temple marriage walang bayad. Reception lang iintindihin mo at ang worthiness mo

kuting

01/12/2012 18:59

may iba pang mga non-catholic churches na walang bayad ang pagpapaksal, pero sympre you have to be a member first. May gastos pa din kasi pag pa-file ng marriage license sa gov't. Pagnagpakasal sa catholic church, depende pa sa kung magkano kaya mo ibayad ang klase ng kasal na bibigay sayo. hehehe parang halo-halo lang, may special at may regular. :D

Nancy (also a Catholic)

01/11/2012 19:40

A lot of Catholic Church priests are just know-it-alls who don't deserve to be a preacher. They give out statements that they think are full of wisdom and force people to treat them as rules or words from God himself. By doing this they try to make themselves like gods, making the people they are supposed to guide bow down to their whims. They do this by just adding that God says it so because it is written in the bible. It is a bit amusing though that what this priest said is exactly what the bible is opposed to (reference: commentor Joe Campos) . This, aside from other older and recent Catholic Church scandals, proves to me that the Catholic Church is run by nuts and lunatics, ignorant people pretending to be wise and even the biggest of liars. It seems I will be doing myself a favour by getting myself out of this Catholic "mental institution", which I am not supposed to be in.

Love must be the foundation of marriage, not reproduction. That the bible says that we should be fruitful and multiply does not mean that we should marry only to populate and overpopulate the world! My goodness, a lot of countries are already suffering from overpopulation. The problem is not supposed to be marriage of infertile people. It is not an issue and it is not something to decide on at all. The problem is how to support the ever growing population of the world so that poverty and suffering will be minimized. He should think about that instead and a lot of other issues as well (like the changing environment and the wars that take the lives of a lot of innocent people).

AMAR link

01/11/2012 19:45

marriage is God-given. But it is not always towards procreation.We can do intelligent decisions to understand what's best for the couple.

KEN

01/11/2012 20:00

so ibig sabihin ng bishop na dapat ay hindi kinasal si sarah kay abraham kase baog xa?

faithful

01/11/2012 20:05

Just remember that MIRACLES happen!!!

Materia

01/11/2012 20:20

Our folks should be educated with morality. Morality is determining what is right and wrong, not doing what we're told. Education is less costly than ignorance.

01/11/2012 20:20

From a business perspective, what this bishop says makes sense. What a business needs is a continuous flow of customers. The children will, to a certain extent, ensure that the Church will still be in business for another millenium.

Martin

01/11/2012 21:13

I agree. The Church needs new, multiple revenue streams.

Tosho link

01/11/2012 20:20

"for they have failed their purpose to multiply"

Dahil lang sa quote na to eh kaya ayaw nila ipapasa yung RH Bill, ngayon pati ba naman marriage ng isang couple gagawin nilang kasalanan dahil lang sa hindi sila fertile?

Hindi ba nila naconsider yung economic issues sa sobrang dami ng populasyon ng bansa? Sige pa rin sila sa pagsabi na humayo kayo at magparami.

tonette

01/11/2012 20:31

It is clearly stated in the constitution the separation of the church and state. The state respect the holiness of the church so why would the church don't respect also the state as a return???... If the state's mission is to promote harmonious living with our love ones then the hell they care with that. For as long as the state promote good things that are beneficial to its people ...then the church has nothing to do with that. Mind their own business.

JADE

01/11/2012 20:32

marriage is a gift from God. multiplication is biblical as well as marriage. but the bible does not teach only biological multiplication, also spiritual/ministry multiplication. if the two (couple) cannot have children of their own, yet, being together, let the ministry of disciplemaking multiplied, then they were able to fulfill what the bible said about multiplication. live by Jesus Christ's and the apostles' examples.

decrypted

01/11/2012 20:40

dumb ass priest don't know shit about what his talking!!! If marriage was all about procreation then why the fuck marry when you can just go and have your pick of any woman to screw and have kids! Marriage is more deeper than that regardless of having kids or not!

JRC

01/11/2012 20:43

I don't think infertile people made the decision to be like that, it was God's will and work that did that. And if these "supposed" preachers of God can't even realize that, and can't even follow their own moral standards, how can they expect to create such nonsense like this bill.

what

01/11/2012 20:44

hindi ba, God created man? and everything else in this world? so God also created those infertile people? It's not their fault that they are that way. So is being gay. Why can't our Catholic Church be like the Catholic Churches in other countries? Yung religion and faith and spirituality lang talaga ang inaatupag, not political issues or other inisignificant issues that they should not be focusing on. I have not heard mass in a catholic church for years and now i'm seriously thinking of switching to another religion.

Adoptive Mom

01/11/2012 20:44

Hmmm, infertile people can't marry???

Here are the points:

> Infertile people don't want to be that. Who in the freaking world would want to be called infertile?

> What's adoption for? I mean many if not all infertile couple try to adopt children and love them as if they were their own.

> Catholic priests say that infertile people can't marry, say no to RH bills, but they advocate adoption and the right to life, WTF?

To cut the long story, no one has the right to tell people who can't have children that they shouldn't marry.

Cris

01/11/2012 20:48

The truth then has set us free... that these rules are made by men, and not by God.

Let his God come to us and tell it to us, so that we may believe the catholic church. These rules are made to govern us, not to set us free.

glenn

01/11/2012 20:51

good! paging RC, i am married but have no children. please revoke my marriage asap!

azul

01/11/2012 20:56

cruz has been masturbating too long his brain is shriveled

Charmaine Gesmundo link

01/11/2012 20:58

CATHOLIC CHURCH failed again.. Every married people or couples has their own struggles in life and any of us don't have any idea about that. There's always a reason behind every decision we make. I mean may rason sila kung bat ayaw nilang magkaanak at yung mga bagay na yon hindi na dapat pinapakeelaman. Kung hindi magkaanak hindi naman nila ginusto yun. Hindi din gusto ni Lord na mag-isa na lang tayo habang buhay kaya nga binibigyan nya tayo ng partner diba. Lahat may karapatan magmahal at magpakasal whenever they want. Kung ipagbabawal nyo yan, wag na kayo magtayo ng AMPUNAN. well said.

hahaha

01/12/2012 00:18

"well said." its like high-fiving yourself : ))

carla

01/11/2012 21:11

obvious ba, tumatandang paurong na yan si bishop cruz. kunsabagay dko problema yan dahil i don't believe in marriage anyway. only in true love.

Fucking Beliefs!

01/11/2012 21:15

Catholicism was used by Spain to take over the Philippines. As long as there is Catholicism, the Philippines is never free. we want FREEDOM!!!

Maria

01/11/2012 21:26

Civil weddings are going to be very popular after this ridiculous statement.

zachary

01/11/2012 21:39

he's damn crazy.. hindi naman natin kasalanan kung hindi tayo magkakaanak. ang daming mga pari ngayon na nagkakaron ng anak yun ang sobrang makasalanan talaga. yun nalang ang pag tuunan niya ng pansin..

cheskacandy link

01/11/2012 21:45

I am a 22 year old Catholic female and when I was 18 I was diagnosed with a polycystic condition. The doctor said I could not find out if I am really infertile unless I have sex. I value my virginity in accordance to my faith so I don't have any means to find out unless I get married. Now that I heard of this, I am thinking that I could commit a sin by wanting to stay pure until marriage then find out I could not conceive a child. It hurts already not to have blessing of a child but even the blessing of a marriage they are planning to TAKE AWAY FROM ME ?! This is so insulting and I believe this is some form of harassment I could not believe came from the mouth of someone that PROCLAIMS HIMSELF STEWARD OF GOD.

It sounds like he just wants to say that marriage is used to make babies only. Well , FYI - I believe that marriage , more than procreating, is the companionship and love shared by two people and their vow to protect , serve, and take care of each other .

This makes me sick to my stomach, if you just look at marriage as a pass to make children then we should all just go and screw someone.

It is not anyone's fault not to be blessed with the gift of procreation.
You are not God. GOD LOVES ME FOR WHO AND WHAT I AM EVEN IF IT MEANS I COULD NOT CARRY A CHILD IN ME.

Adoptive Mom

01/12/2012 07:56

Exactly! I had surgery which removed one of my ovaries when I was only 20 years old. The remaining ovary is polycystic. I've been married for almost 10 years now and we still don't have a child of our own.

With this statement, should the Catholic church revoke my marriage just because I can't procreate? Darn it!

Nancy B

01/15/2012 08:18

Don't even listen to this raving mad, mean-spirited ass.This is not in the Bible or any church ruling I ever heard. I was raised in Catholic schools up to college and heard nothing of this stupid law, and don't believe it. In my school, they raped alter boys, even the monsignor, and this was an upper middle class county in NY. I don't listen to a thing these black robed a holes say. I am spiritual now, and don't subscribe to any church. Hope they get rid of this perv.

Chase

01/11/2012 21:47

This... this isn't something that God would tell us. From what I learned in school, God loves us unconditionally no matter what kind we are or what problems we have. This is the reason why, I don't attend masses anymore or believe in the Catholic Church. They're no longer preaching that God loves us. They're preaching what THEY think is right but the thing is, they're not God. So who are they to judge people? It goes to show that priests, or most of the men of faith, are discriminating people who don't fit in with their standards. Such a shame really, such a shame. :( It just makes me want to cry for them.

ako to

01/11/2012 21:59

WTF?!

Budoy

01/11/2012 22:00

if number is important maybe they should stop ordaining priests. they don't come in pairs. 1 is smaller than 2. this should go for nuns as well

chaw

01/11/2012 22:02

we marry because of love. im a born again Christian but i respect the catholic church. but this one is so absurd. stupid. being infertile is not a sin. God has plans for them, no priest have the right to plan for their future like their marriage plans. nuts, there are a lot of things na mas important na asikasuhin than this stupidity. lots of priest now are being accused of rape and other harrasments, you should atleast know how to interpret the bible first before you go so OA and have your own interpretation about it. again, BEING INFERTILE IS NOT A SIN, GOD WANTS US ALL TO BE HAPPY. and HE WANTS US TO OBEY HIM NOT THOSE STUPID PRIESTS!

violet

01/11/2012 22:04

The statements of Archbishop Cruz really made me teary eyed. I am married for 10 yrs but not blessed with a child. I have undergone several treatments and yet I am not able to conceive a child. Is it my fault? Am I to be condemned because of this? Isn't it that having a child is a wondrous blessing from God. And sad to say that I am one of those who are not fortunate to have one. What about the reason that my husband and I got married because of our LOVE for each other? I am so glad that my husband and my in-laws love me from what I am. They are just a simple catholics who goes to church every Sunday and days of obligations. And yet, they know what God's love is. And that is love unconditionally.
I couldn't believe that I heard it from you Archbishop Cruz. You are not God. You are just Gods sender of his message but you are not HIM. GOD knows what is in our hearts and thats what matters most....

ayoko na link

01/11/2012 22:10

If this is the Catholic Church's stand against infertile people, as of now i denounce my catholic faith..this is getting fucking ridiculous.

wondering

01/11/2012 22:14

this is funny because i'm married for 6 months now and still no baby, does this mean i'm commiting a sin? well in the bible, the woman was created to become adam's helper, and so the first role of wives is to become a helper of husbands, then the 2nd is becoming a mom to the children that God himself will entrust to the parents. i wonder where they get this belief that having children is the ultimate goal of marriage, i wonder how priests counsel those who are about to get married.. i wonder who wrote the doctrine that supports this belief..

Tyrole Fiace

01/11/2012 22:41

The way I see it, the Church is basically saying that Marriage = Sex.

In that case, they must've had a lot of illegitimate marriage, huh?

David Go

01/11/2012 22:51

More like: "They are two, they become one, they die as one." Ang kitid ng utak ng nagsabi ng statement na yan.

mike link

01/11/2012 22:53

thats why we have the word adopt stupid fucking priest

catholic by default

01/11/2012 23:05

Is this the Catholic church's subtle way of saying that pre-marital sex is necessary to 'test' the couple's eligibility for marriage? Or is this a way of suggesting divorce for couples who found out about their infertility after marriage?

The archbishop is trying to paint a picture of the Catholic church as a procreation machinery, nothing else. Crazy.

doniq

01/11/2012 23:23

Its like he didn't consider "FAITH AS A FACTOR" It was very clear in the bible that the sister of Virgin Mary was already infertile but because of her huge faith, she was surprised that God still blessed her w/ a son despite of her old age! Couples can expect to be blessed w/ children too even if their doctors tell them that there's no chance! And who says, adoption is illegal? If the couple is capable to be good parents to those they aren't related to, why stop them from marrying?

That Bishop doesn't know anything about faith. I think this Bishop has a dark past related w/ what he has concluded

Cassey

01/11/2012 23:29

To all Catholic followers: You may want to double check your Bible and your leaders so that you will find the right path to God. This s****d priest mentioned “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” but they themselves break this command from God. They don't get married (forbidden for them). Those Catholic priests and other christian sects violating a lot of commands from God. Why should we follow those obvious misleading religion? God gave us brain to think and to use it to find the right path to Him. If we just read the bible, it will show us the right path to God. It's even mentioned in the bible that we need to seek for the truth as the truth will set us free... It could be mean that bible itself tells us that it is not the right way.

mike

01/11/2012 23:48

this is just stupid.

jet

01/11/2012 23:50

well that's just plain stupid. what if you don't know if you're infertile at the time of your marriage? Are they going to spend for the tracking of every married Catholic in the face of the earth just so they can see if they've procreated or not?

And they're worried why a lot of Catholics leave for other religions.

Are you in your right mind, Archbishop Oscar Cruz? Really? *sheesh*

Jun

01/11/2012 23:54

Let's advocate pre-marital sex then, to see whether we are infertile or not! lol

James

01/12/2012 00:09

If a guy (priests or not) really want to practice abstinence, then cut off the penis! They believe that self righteousness and following the LAW (bible and human) makes oneself pleasing to God, why not bring the LAW to fullest measure! They are presenting the LAW to a manageable state.

I believe that Jesus Christ is the answer, He is the obedient one, the self-less one and He is without sin. God is pleased with His Son. How we deal and how we honor Jesus, is how God deals and honors us.

meow

01/12/2012 00:13

~_~ so is it like marriage + sex = legal
marriage +sex + child = you are doing you're responsibility as a catholic,a good catholic (as to what priests would say)
marriage +sex + infertility +cant produce a child = you're a abomination ???

~_~ kasalanan na pala kung baog ka,d b sabi nga ng marami "kung ano ang bigay ng Diyos makuntento tyo",what if talagang baog ka dahil ganun ka na ginawa ng Diyos? di kaya ang mission mo in life is to help those orphan kids,to make them feel that even though they are orphaned,you are there to be their parents, hindi b? kaya nga pde mag ampon di ba??? ~_~

Concerned

01/12/2012 00:15

This will be random for me to say, but since I know something about it, I'd like to just add some info which I hope I won't be attacked for :S'

I've been taking up Philosophy for the past 2 years and, for the past year, I've been taking up Theology in my Catholic school. Coincidentally, we were reading this passage in Mt. 19:12-12
11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

A eunuch is someone who is impotent. Not infertile, but totally incapable in being able to produce children. Everyone in my classroom was frozen and definitely saddened as our priest continued his lecture...saying that this church IS God's church, as God did say to "Go and multiply". Though it's not our fault if we couldn't do so, we should allow this command to pass for those who are able to follow through with it. Allow what God wished and still wishes.

Though as sad as it is to be unable to get married, I am at least glad that they have all the right to be happy despite the unfortunate condition...but it's definitely saddening :(...

anon

01/12/2012 00:26

so dapat isama sa marriage vows... "i promise to give you babies!"

bee

01/12/2012 00:36

so... back to the past where almost all marriages are based on procreation and not on love? damn!

Concerned

01/12/2012 02:02

Procreation is a product of pure love. I thought I needn't mention this as I thought deep love between one another was already a given; Sorry :)

WEHHH D NGA...

01/12/2012 01:04

tsk tsk.... akala ko b alam ng mga pare yung bible... yung lng nabasa nila.. "GO N MULTIPLY" akala ko b memorize nyo binabasa nyo.... tama c Concerned.... tanda mo na Archbishop para ulitin ulit yang bible basahin. pare p man din. kung and2 lng c God sa harapan mo... sinuntok k nya na kanina pa. kc d mo talaga sya naintindihan... sori im also catholic that i am ashamed with those immoral opinion you have. you are not God to know everything. alam mo nman cguro yun no. your too Fool and not humble enough who you are and what positions your at.... nakakahiya ka. i tell you.... napublic mo pa... you dont even respect others. you dont even respect yourself and the most important thing is. you dont even respect God who you are working at. Sorry @ patawarin k sana ni God... tsk tsk tsk..

Porcelain

01/12/2012 03:30

This is one of the reasons why I decided to leave Catholicism. The leaders themselves do not know what they are doing. As I read the comments, I felt ashamed that I was born Catholic because I had the chance to embed in my heart the teachings and doctrines since I was a child. I even went to a Catholic school, not knowing that what I have learned was not the true teachings and doctrines based on the Holy Bible. I am just sad and I wished that I was born the other way around so that I had the chance to be in the true Church of Christ.

Katherine

01/12/2012 05:39

This is without a doubt the saddest thing ever, I feel utterly embarrassed. Church's standard isn't helping me become closer with God at all.

Firstly, I think their taking it much too literally! When the bible as they know it shouldn't be taken literally. Multiply? Yeah, let's all multiply.

Secondly, Love is the basis, the foundation for marriage not SEX! Please, someone tell me why is sex is a foundation for a good marriage? If t is, then what is the reason why God helped us choose our partners, too accept every single thing about our significant other? To live as one through everything.

Lastly, God has a plan... for everything. Being infertile will never be wrong if it's brought to God onto you. He wouldn't hate us, for something that he had bestowed upon us.

I could expect more, since the church is composed of human beings and the Church so far ain't helping the church to get closer with God. What mediators? Oh really now?

Li link

01/12/2012 01:29

A reason for my atheism. BS.

donzki10

01/12/2012 01:49

im a catholic but wtf is this? may hangin ba utak netong archbishop na ito wla bang karapatan maging masaya ung 2 infertile na tao? kalokohan

TROLL WARLORD

01/12/2012 01:50

eto na ung mga baog, nagsicommentan na.

amanda

01/12/2012 01:58

bakit naman di pwede ang mga di pwede magka anak?

Jeremias Roque

01/12/2012 01:59

This is enough of you Catholic Church!

JKat

01/12/2012 02:01

Catholic church officials really like to get their hands clean

Ervin

01/12/2012 02:04

Sa tingin ko sumosobra na ang pakiki alam ng simbahan sa buhay ng tao.

O.O

01/12/2012 02:21

First the RH Bill. And now THIS?!?! Ano bang nangyayari sa simbahan natin?!?!

Freddy Panes link

01/12/2012 02:25

HE SHOULD BE FIRED AND BANISHED TO ANTARTICA. THERE HE CAN SERMON TO THE EMPEROR PENGUINS!

cyber link

01/12/2012 02:50

hey father! try mu magmahal nang babae para ma intindihan mu yung sinasabi..... kasi palibhasa sa libro lang yung references mu.... try to feel the real world!!! para mas maintindihan muh

sam

01/12/2012 02:57

utang na loob naman, somebody, save us, please! euthanise this priest!!! Now!!!

Joseph

01/12/2012 03:19

Guys, this is what I've heard from the people in Cebu (from the young catholic parishioners, choir members, & catechist). They said that the catholic priests encourages them to have sex with their girlfriends, and to marry the girl if she get pregnant, to be sure. If she don't get pregnant, then dump her and find another girl . . My goodness ! !

01/12/2012 03:28

"God rocks. His PR team sucks."

STFUPID

01/12/2012 03:32

It is said that SEX BEFORE OR WITHOUT MARRIAGE is a sin, its called FORNICATION. So technically, couples that are in love even though infertile need to be married to have sex. Its not just sex though its the thought that "they want to spend their whole life together." Marriage is not just about reproducing, its also about bond - their bond as a couple and their bond with God. Its just horrible to know that the Catholic Church couldn't understand that as well! If they can't bear children its the will of the Father - its not like they wanted to be in that position anyway.

Parang mga ulul po kasi yung Archbishop. Bakit? Kasalanan na nga yung pag sesex bago ikasal eh so ngayon gusto nila lahat ng mga infertile na tao wag na magpakasal? Ano yun makikipag sex nalang sila ng walang kasal? Bakit kasalanan ba kung hindi makakapag bear ng anak? Ginusto ba ng mga infertile people na maging ganyan? Hindi okay? Will po yan ng Diyos kaya wala po kayong karapatan na kunin sa kanila ang right para magpakasal. Isa pa madami naman diyan na anak lang ng anak ah pwede na din mag adopt hindi naman kasalanan yun basta inaalagaan ng tama yung bata na parang tunay nilang anak. Yung ibang tao diyan nanganganak na pwede pang 5 couples eh ano pa ba kinatatakot niyo sobrang laki na din ng population ng Pilipinas para ang pag mumultiply ang inaalala niyo.

One more thing, kayo nga mismo na leaders sa church gumagawa ng kasalanan mga ulul tapos yung mahihirapan yung mga citizens? Pakyu kayo po prang kailangan niyo pa ata talaga bumalik ng seminaryo eh - that is kung tutuwid pa yang mga buktot niyong pagiisip. Bumalik kayo sa mga nanay niyo. KBYE.

01/12/2012 03:48

this is so stupid. our main purpose is not to procreate. our main purpose is to serve God and to share the word of God. stupid catholics.

01/12/2012 07:28

God created us differently for his purpose. If you cannot bare a child, it was your blueprint of creation, and that is what God intended it to be. "b" is right, our main purpose is to serve God obediently.

Boy Hopeya

01/12/2012 03:59

Ano ba yan., pag nabuntis ng hindi pa kasal kasalanan na., pag kinasal na tapos hindi nabuntis kasalanan pa rin.

01/12/2012 04:26

the catholic church is being childish and ridiculous.

Maria

01/12/2012 04:57

it's not the fault of married couple if they have a problem conceiving. we should not discriminate, but instead provide a support system for these couples. what is sinful is if one of them have sex with another partner other than their husband/wide just to have a baby.

aisha link

01/12/2012 05:13

jeremiah 6:13

" from least to the greatest, all are greedy for gain, priests and prophets alike, practices are deceit."

Lorelie

01/12/2012 05:32

"Those who cannot procreate is committing a mortal sin in the eyes of God?" WTF??!!!! It isn't your fault if you're infertile.!. What if you were born that way..? I am a Catholic but sometimes i find these leaders so ignorant and close-minded. They don't know the true essence of marriage

lizzzzeee

01/12/2012 05:34

that is totally unfair, what if the couple cannot have a child by health reasons!!!!

AnDyWolfie

01/12/2012 05:39

So you're saying that dapat hindi na ikasal ang mga infertile kasi hindi na sila makakapag-multiply? Ano yun, parang pabayaan niyo na yung mga infertile, tapos mag-pair up lahat ng fertile na tao? Sa clergy ba, walang fertile? Kasi kung ganun, sayang naman 'yang mga reproductive systems niyo kung hindi niyo gagamitin... Eh di magpakasal din kayo para makapag-"multiply" din kayo, yun naman sinasabi ni Archbishop diba?

Ang pagkakaintindi ko kasi sa sinabi ng Archbishop Oscar Cruz, lahat ng infertile dapat forever alone, at lahat ng fertile responsibilidad na mag-multiply...

PRETTY_yu

01/12/2012 05:50

i thought we are all children of god? then bakit kailangan e revoke or hindi payagan ikasal ang iinfertile? I THOUGHT GOD LOVES US? NOW I THINK HE DOESNT!

Alein Chin

01/12/2012 06:03

I really got disappointed after reading this article. I respect priests so much but there are just some who get on my nerves such as the likes of Archbishop Cruz. I suggest that before he says anything, he should have thought of it well because a lot of people look up to him. There are a lot of people who don't know that they are unable to have children and yet they marry because of love. Marriage is not only for procreation, it is the joining of two individuals who love each other and the children comes as an added bonus (in my own words) or as a blessing from God. There are also people who knew that they were infertile before they got married but still proceeded to get hitched again because of love and because they are good followers of the church. I know some couples who adopted children because they can't have their own. And actually they are doing a good thing in our society because a lot of children are being abandoned by their "over-productive" married parents. Infertility is not a sin while neglecting your children is. And since I'm a very devout Catholic despite all the screw that's been brewing within the church, I suggest that Archbishop Cruz apologize and take back what he said and surely I can forgive him and let this one pass.

P.S If what he meant with his controversial statement are fertile married people who decided not to have children, then that's another issue. And as for same-sex marriages, I still remain undecided on the matter. >_>

Khatie

01/12/2012 06:05

"The Catholic Church is planning to ban the infertile people’s right to marry for they cannot conceive. Even couples who does not plan to have babies can have their marriage revoked, for they have failed their purpose to multiply."

Hindi naman pagpapadami ang purpose ng marriage diba?
bkit nman ganun?
hindi pa nila iniisip kung anung depression nlng ang mararamdaman ng taong infertile and then hindi cla pwedeng mgpakasal???

wtf lng tlga ...

Pole ferret

01/12/2012 06:22

Men with too much power and way too much pent up frustration tend to do irrational things...someone get that bishop laid quick before he says something else just as stupid

DragonSlayah

01/12/2012 06:40

I used to be active in Religion and going to church and stuff, until I took an arrow to the knee...

imacatholibutthissucks

01/12/2012 06:48

im a catholic pero for me this is a fail move

vincent.

01/12/2012 07:18

If the Catholic Church wants to take the Bible literally let them. You cannot choose which passages you want to follow. So that means there'll be no more rapists in prison, they'd all be married to their victims. If not, they'll be stoned to death. Round haircuts are mandatory(ridiculous, right?) No eating of shellfish
No tattoos...
The bible may have been in favor of procreation but that was at the time when there was a scarcity in humans.

mojo

01/12/2012 07:32

this priest is stupid@@

Nikholai

01/12/2012 07:36

Im adopted. My parents are both infertile. Hearing those things makes my heart breaks because they are implying that people like my father and mother are useless and sinners. My parents love me so much and they are very good and kind persons. This is just too hurtful. My parents are very catholic and religious though I`m an atheist. I dont want them to know this cause this will seriously hurt their feelings or they might lose their faith. Well when I lose my faith it made me happier. proud to be an atheist.

leirbag jm

01/12/2012 07:41

what a twisted bastard... takot na mga magulang ngayung dalhin ang mga anak nila sa simbahan ng dahil sa baluktot nyong paniniwala.

Agnostic Theist

01/12/2012 07:48

Erm... wasn't the bible written by humans, too? So, very prone to human error also... just a thought...

jLjO

01/12/2012 08:23

i think priests should read the HOLY BIBLE and study harder... specially you Archbishop Oscar Cruz. Don't memorize it, try to internalize and ask God to speak to you. You are one big stumble block sa mga believers.. Oh you might have forgotten that we were created to Glorify HIM, i think that's our real purpose,not just procreate! I might be one of the infertile people, but I know God can do miracles, nakalimutan mo na yong stories sa old testament???? Nakakahiya ka..

rannierex

01/12/2012 08:32

So does it mean that we have to have sex first before marriage for us to know whether we are capable or incapable to having children? sounds hideous:(

aaaaa

01/12/2012 08:55

go to the world and multiply... and let die in hunger!

bimbim

01/12/2012 09:16

It not freakin' important what any religious leader says, its about how you live your life, be good, do good. people have the right to be happily married, you cant just stop them from getting married just because you think you interpret the Bible correctly, God wants us all to be happy in the right and good way. Religion should not dictate what we should do. It is God who knows and understands us, not the priests or any reiligious leaders, or the church or the religion. The God who created us all will never fail to love, understand and guide us, He will never discriminate or criticize us because he know us better than we know ourselves. Thanks to the Catholic church i learned about God, but no thanks to your twisted ideals!!

steven

01/12/2012 16:54

There is NO god ..... he is made just to control the behavior of people in Ancient Times...

mlot

01/12/2012 19:22

I believe the foundation of marriage should be love and not fertility. Infertility is a basis of.marriage annulment in catholic religion. What about old people, menopause women, those who women who had sickness and needed to take out their ovaries, etc. Is the church denying them also of a chance be happy with their love since infertility is a ground for church annulment? Please enlighten us as we the churchgoers need to know if we are to enter and sign into a marriage.

anonymous

01/12/2012 20:09

The Lord did not just create sex for procreation. He also created it for the purpose of intimacy between the husband and wife, that their relationship will become stronger and deeper. Obviously, priests cannot and will not understand this because they haven't experienced being married. Saying that "sex is ONLY for procreation" is just wrong. Yes, it is meant for procreation but there is no absolute statement in the Bible that it is ONLY for procreation.

As I Christian I believe with conviction that sex should be only done within the context and boundaries of marriage.

catjustine10

01/12/2012 21:39

Don't let this so called Catholic priest confuse you.
Don't let them deprive your freedom of existence.
Next time I won't be surprised if the Catholic Church will call it "High Treason" for two married couples because they cannot reproduce. Is it the couples fault if they didn't knew about their infertility? Is it the couples fault to have love for each other even though their infertile? proof or thought?

Live with what you truly believe is right and not the other way around. Life is sometimes and really is ironic because of others holding on to false belief. Always remember that God gives you the blessings you might not appreciate but with deep purpose :)
Even if you don't believe in God, don't believe in people who gives people false advices especially like this priest.
He is not the boss of your life! You are the boss of your own life. Always remember that :)

Meka

01/12/2012 22:47

NOT SURPRISED

-thats y i hate the catholic church! full of dumb ass bitches for a priest!

Ultimo

01/12/2012 22:51

WTF!? someone send senator Miriam Santiago &
give this douche an ass swooping hell never forget

pinkberry

01/13/2012 07:48

Ultimo: i agree to that.. Let Sen. Miriam Santiago release her comments on this and for sure.. it will be more fun and debatable..^^

anon

01/12/2012 23:10

Oh, you religion! How double standard.

Data entry link

01/13/2012 01:44

Tama iyong pari, dahil sino pa ang bibinyagan nila kung di magkaanak. Di na sila magkakuwarta.

Lando

01/13/2012 02:31

this is bullshit..marriage is based on love not about babies/multiplication of human beings..

Atheist

01/13/2012 04:01

Ignorant, archaic, medieval, archbishop oscar cruz should not speak this way as a representative of the church. what a load of crap! keep doing that and one day you will find that nobody wants to join your so called church. Pah! Crucify him!

Princess Bugayong

01/13/2012 04:24

I believe that it is not reasonable for people not to marry just because they are infertile. God may have said that we should go and multiply, but He also said to love one another. Marriage is made not only to have children but because of companionship. The essence of marriage is to love and to spend the rest of your life with your better half, with or without children. It is not their fault to be infertile. They must not suffer from something which they have acquired naturally.

Comment Reader

01/13/2012 07:03

Haha. It makes me laugh at how Christianity can be interpreted in so many ways, Bishops are anti - impotent mariage while its followers believe that God will accept them for who they are!! Haha. Christianity, yeah right! Personally, I dont think you need a God to tell you whats good or bad, whats a right or wrong, whats brilliant or dumb. It's the person that moves the word, not the 'God' in his mind.

P.S. I dont hate god, I just hate his stupid fanclub who thinks everything is right as long as the bible says it is...

she0131

01/13/2012 07:03

Sa pagkakaalam ko, ang kasal ay hindi lang para makabuo ng anak. Ang kasal ay isang sagradong seremonya para sa pagsasama ng dalawang tao habang buhay. Matagal na kaming nagsasama ng asawa ko pero hindi kami mapagkalooban ng anak. Kung sino man ang diperensya sa aming dalawa, hindi na namin iniinda dahil alam namin pareho na may plano ang Diyos sa amin. Hindi rason ang hindi kami magkaanak para hindi kami magsama.

Anon

01/13/2012 08:07

Isn't the church here committing the greatest sin? Insulting God?

Well... they said Humans are based from God's image and likeness right? So if a human is unable to conceive a child or children and the church or generally religion bans the people or persons from getting married.

That mean they're insulting God for his imperfection to create humans based on his image and likeness and they're highlighting God's flaw.

I don't think the people in old robes didn't think this through.

They're really gonna pose a law that highlights God flaw? Good luck to them.

dan

01/13/2012 12:59

Yea they want people to get married have babies, so the priests can later molest them.

Passerby

01/13/2012 13:12

That's some major bullshit! Infertile people can adopt.

But obviously, this is brought by the pressures of RH bill..

As stated.. "Even couples who does not plan to have babies can have their marriage revoked, for they have failed their purpose to multiply."

Looks like the catholic church is playing hardball. Planning to Impose a bullshit interpretation of the bible just to force people into procreating.

Ted

01/13/2012 14:52

They are just probably making sure that Catholics multiply. Im catholic and my wife born again. We've been married 5 years and still trying to conceive. Anyway, before we got married, we were made to sign an agreement that our children be baptized Catholic and then we paid I think around PHP400 for our mixed marriage. The catholic church is threatened because there are a lot of good churces around (besides the catholic church) and a lot of followers. If the catholic church loses the majority then they lose power over the people. Wala nang abuloy pag wala nang followers.

mimi

01/13/2012 18:48

Another for the list of WRONGS of the Catholic Church.

Jason

01/13/2012 21:07

My widowed (and now deceased) grandfather married his second wife when he was 83 and she was in her mid-70s, in a Catholic church in the Philippines. This was back in the early 1990s. Is the church now saying that their marriage was wrong?

Jason

01/13/2012 21:10

"Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children." - anonymous

01/13/2012 23:48

“What is there that comes from marrying them? Nothing! They are two, they remain two, they die two.” ~Archbishop Oscar Cruz, CBCP

dammit it pisses me off. sakit sa ulo!
what the hell is happening to the Catholic Church?!

Steph

01/14/2012 18:12

Wow... The catholic church is really making true fools of themselfs. They don't want people to have sex before they marry then they don't want infertile people to marry! how are they supose to know they are infertile if they can't have babies before they marry! This shows how much chatolic doctrines are extremely stupid.

dee

01/14/2012 20:49

sounds like the catholic church is playing God again. It is NOT for them to decide who can or cannot married. God created us all equal....flaw or not. Sounds like the catholic church is playing God again....time to dismiss them.

Blarg

01/14/2012 22:21

This is just plain wrong, I'am a catholic student. And I think this is just plain wrong. . You don't marry to have children, you marry for because you love each other. And If this is true, and me or my wife is barren, I woulld give a f***, I'd just change/loose my religion, but still believe in God. These People are just humans, not God themselves. . .

mishing

01/14/2012 22:37

The Church has no rights to insist.

Bardot

01/15/2012 03:56

I totally agree with what has been posted. Catholics think that they are the Church of God, and they are the only God's children, but they do not even see their own doings. I have been once a believer of them, yet I realized what their belief and teaching is, yet they are never a good example.

senyang

01/15/2012 04:15

f*cking & stupid bishop!

totoy bato

01/15/2012 04:53

Of course it's just church's strategy to regain their decreasing population... Many people are transferring to other sects. And so to protect their power, they would promote procreation among their people no matter what...

People are not dumb as you think they were. You change teaching as tho you are all apostles of God...

George

01/15/2012 04:53

How stupid. Illogical! You cannot find out your infertile before trying to have sex, and you also cant have sex before being married (acc to ccc) so how the hell does this work?

Jonathan

01/15/2012 05:02

So what the church is saying is my adoptive parents,who have been married nearly 40 years,could have their marriage annulled because they COULD NOT CONCIEVE

Another thing that is an attack on me personally as a gay man because,as we all know,gays in most parts of the world can't get married,let alone concieve

MIKE

01/15/2012 06:43

WHO CARES WHAT THAT FORMER NAZI HITLER PEICE OF SHIT(KNOWN AS THE [POE) SAYS.....HE IS A SCUMBAG.HE SHOULD JUST KILL HIMSELF AND JOIN HIS FRIEND HITLER IN HELL....AND THE VATICAN SHOULD BE OVERTHROWN AND IT"S VAULTS LOOTED AND ALL THE SECRETS AND WEALTH STOLEN SHOULD BE RETURNED BACK TO THE WORLD....
I FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE WHO'S MINDS ARE CONTROLLED BY A CULT......POOR SHEEP (SHEEEPLE) BEING LED TO SLAUGHTER....WAKE UP

Dwere

01/15/2012 08:30

To quote the title: "Infertile people can't marry says Catholic Church"

... and to respond: Then the Catholic Church can go f*** itself.

See? Nothing complicated about it.

Lynda

01/15/2012 12:15

I was born into a Catholic family...I got out, very early, I could see the idiocy at age 10!!
My VERY Catholic sister is infertile......they adopted two kids thru Catholic adoption agencies.....they paid plenty for them too...so can't imagine the greedy Catholic church turning away a means to get even more money...Catholic church doesn't control anything, they cannot even control themselves..........they don't make the rules and surprise surprise....God is NOT in their church!

Anonymous

01/15/2012 12:52

The Catholic Church is brilliant. If you require Catholics to date other Catholics, marry before having sex (thereby creating a lifelong commitment), require sex to only be used to procreate (which WILL happen as people naturally want sex), and ban birth control, what do you get? MORE Catholics! It is a very elaborate scam, and I salute to whomever was the mastermind behind it, not that I agree with the message but rather for the creativity behind it.

Mario

01/15/2012 12:57

Stories like this makes me proud to be an atheist.

AmandaB

01/15/2012 13:17

And the Catholic Church wonders why people are leaving in droves. . . . .? This is insane and discriminatory and just ridiculous. .

the non-hypocrite

01/15/2012 14:25

You know what I think? I think no one will see this comment as significant, but still I will try to make one thing clear:

That CHOICE and FREEDOM to do whatever you want should be legalized, and these 2k year old cults who only know about getting on their knees and speaking to themselves OBVIOUSLY know more about politics than modern day politicians and ethnic experts. Sure, let's hand over the world to these religious "geniuses." But seriously, people should be more open and accept that there are other human beings that are affected with this prohibition nonsense. If you support the indoctrination of this oppressive yet hypocritically "loving" or "good" catholic church(just like any religion), then you're entitled to be called an asshole.

Long live Free will.
(BTW, I don't care what your religion is, as long as you support free will and separation of church and state, I support whatever you may say.)

tom

01/15/2012 20:15

Oh don't worry you infertile people, I will help save your marriage and keep masterbating and tell those "virgin" priests that I am masterbating to help the infertile couples get pregnant since I know I won;t go blind jacking off like the priests said I would.
Secondly, how can those damn priests be married to the church if they can't have sex or create children? What ass holes they are!

grace

01/16/2012 06:03

good grief, this makes me nauseated and aghast. you do know that they want these types of marriages because procreation is mandatory for the purpose of bringing more money and people into the catholic business, yes it is a business.

a religion like the catholic church, and many similar to it, who controls by fear, discrimination, separation, and intimidation is NEVER about love. it's about money, yes money. i knew this when i was in 5th grade.

hopefully this hypocritical, vile, controling stance will not spread to other christian religions. remember that catholicism is not the be-all end all and that Jesus DID NOT create the catholic church. the catholic church created itself and made itself supreme.

all i'm saying is, do not follow blindly that which you know to be false, hateful, evil. Jesus is about LOVE and accepting everyone. the catholic church is about exclusion and control.

just

01/17/2012 00:00

they are accusing innocent people. infertile individuals do not want to be such. but still they accept their condition and consider it as a blessing. maybe GOD has other plans for them... another thing is how can these priests talk about marriage when they don't even enter in such relation? seems like the they're promoting PMS now.... hypocrites

01/17/2012 00:18

i think the best thing to do to with Archbishop Cruz’s is to IMPEACH... and put into PRISON .... for life... he has no right to discriminate those people who are not capable of having a child.....
if i would be give a chance to talk to cruz.... 1st that i will do is to kick his f....... manhood

Fghyfssa

01/17/2012 00:55

thats why we are not progressing as a country because our decisions are still dictated by hypocritical catholic priests!

Mark

01/18/2012 09:14

CBCP = Company of Bishops Controlling People

I believe in God but I don't go to Church because of shit like these. These people are so full of themselves. They're followers of God but they aren't God so they shouldn't play God.

They rarely get money out of their own pockets when calamity befalls. They get nice cars and warm homes while millions around them are suffering yet they only turn the other cheek.

A lot of people are suffering just out of churches yet they don't do anything yet they preach all about being good to your fellow man. Screw them. You rarely see a priest that's a real good Samaritan and the sad part is, those are the priests who are only at the bottom of the ladder.

Alex Wilson

01/19/2012 17:55

I was literally dragged up a catholic and had religion bashed into me by nuns and brothers and bloody priests. As far as I'm concerned the catholic church from the vatican down is evil and very very sick. "Feed the world, Sell the catholic church!"

xaio xaio run

01/21/2012 18:19

ohhh...kawawa naman mga baog kung ganun XD before magpakasal may sperm count ba muna ?

Ann

01/24/2012 07:54

This is why I don't believe on the prophets they call "priests". I respect the religion, i respect God, I'm a Catholic myself. But priests are still men after all. They lie, they cheat, they commit mistakes. Human nature. I can't believe they only focused on one phrase in the bible. If you have sex w/o the sanctity of marriage, you're considered a sinner, if you have a baby w/o being married, still a sinner, now they say you can't get married because you fail to "multiply" ? Did the value of marriage now decreased? Where is the sanctity? I hope the church would review their laws and actions or one day, they will lose power which i think they are abusing too much.

02/12/2012 10:13

So my Catholic mother gives birth to 9 children in 10 years; following the last birth, a medically necessary hysterectomy was performed. My folks could no long conceive, do they divorce? according to the catholic church? Do they stop having sex? I know they didn't because my bedroom was adjescent to theirs. These AWFUL catholic people married and have sex and will go to hell??

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