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     The latest RH Bill plenary debate has enlightened millions of Filipinos as the Honorable Senator Juan Ponce Enrile labeled the act of masturbation as a form of abortion, Enrile says, it comes from his belief as a Roman Catholic.

The Roman Catholic Church views masturbation as an act that constitutes a moral disorder and absolutely and without any excuse, a seriously disordered act that has the same category as bestiality and sodomy.

At the Senate the RH Bill plenary,   Enrile has said that…

“And the question that bothers me is… Is the sperm alive? Is the ovum of the woman alive? I have consulted doctors and the answer is yes.

The sperm of a man cannot fertilize any egg, not the egg of a whale, or a lizard, or a bird, or a fish, but only the egg of a woman. And neither can the egg of a woman be fertilized by any other sperm except the sperm of a man, so that these two elements must be together to create life. But each one of them has life. There is no question about that because they have mobility: They move; they develop.”

And with this statement, Sen. Pia Cayetano a co-author of the Senate’s version of the Bill, gave a hypothetical scenario where a man masturbates outside the woman’s vagina, here are the excerpts.

SEN. PIA CAYETANO: “So, if a man and a woman are sleeping together as husband and wife and a man avails of the withdrawal method and ejaculates outside the vagina of a woman, that is ‘interference’ in the same way a condom would be, because the man and the woman decided not to allow the egg and the sperm to meet, is that his Honor’s position?”

SEN. JUAN PONCE ENRILE: “Well, if the man wants to satisfy himself by manipulating himself alone, if it is only for pleasure, then it interferes with the production of life. That is my belief. That is a matter of faith to me.”

Faith is important for Senator Juan Ponce Enrile and it is important for the Filipino Roman Catholics. But should faith interfere with the laws of a secular government, or should the rule of the church be included in the law with the highest regard.

'Pro-Life' Senator Enrile believes that the sperm is a living entity and that ejaculating it outside a vagina is a form of abortion and that a sperm’s purpose is only for pro-creation and not for pleasure. 

Should his belief and the other Catholics belief be accepted in an intellectual discourse or not? Will the senate even consider it? No one knows, until the RH Bill has come to a vote.... or will it?

References:
Senator Pia Cayetano: http://senatorpiacayetano.com/?p=731
On Masturbation: http://www.religioustolerance.org/masturba10.htm


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The Writer
10/03/2011 11:16

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ANDY BOGARD
01/15/2012 04:08

NAG PAPANSINLANGYAN WAG NYO NA PATULAN...

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cynthia dutra
01/15/2012 18:22

Lol. Masterbation has been proven * Healthy * Natural for of Stress Relief * Saves Lives * Stop Poisoning Society PLEASE!

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Cha
01/19/2012 11:42

What the fudge!!!!totalllly bullshit mr enrile,this is a part of being a human,dont say sperm is just for producing lives of children on the street that u people from the governmrnt dont even care about

KayKro
01/15/2012 18:44

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. WTF. "This country is in no way founded upon the Christian religion" --George EFFING WASHINGTON

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Rich
01/16/2012 05:39

The quote that you are attributing to Washington is actually from the Treaty of Tripoli. It was signed by John Adams, and ratified unanimously by congress.

Jennifer
01/16/2012 12:53

Thank YOU!! We will definitely know the world os coming to an end the day politicians start making sense. What a complete 'load' of crap!

01/17/2012 05:11

Uh...this guy Enrile is a senator in the Philippines. NOT the US Senate. Different country.

Ixsarion
01/16/2012 08:25

Good thing Oral and Anal are still viable. :D What man can honestly say they have never masturbated? I swear get off of you're radical beliefs and stfu. Keep your own damn beliefs to yourself. Because frankly I personally dont give two shits about how you believe....By all means believe in what you want just keep it to yourself. Most people don't care. Atheist, Christian, Pagan, Satanist, Scientology, Satanists, Zoroastrianism, Hindu, Wicca, Asatru, Judaism. Who cares. Keep you're beliefs and your Gods/Goddesses to you're own damn self. If someone is interested let them come to you. Period. End of Conversation. By all means belief what in what you wish to. Leave people alone.

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Jonathan
01/16/2012 16:19

Religion is like a penis, it's ok to have one, great if you enjoy it, but keep it to yourself and away from my children.

JFK
01/17/2012 07:01

Bang... wag naman nila sabihin na pati masterbation ipag babawal na nako.. pag ganito yong processo cguro na yan tataas nanaman yong rape cases dto sa atin T_T hahah... d nya cguro alam pag isang lalaki umabot sa adolescent stage tumataas yong testosterone lvl T_T hahah lalo lumalakas yong sexual urge T_T pag d yan mapalabas nako ewan ko lng pano nila yan ipapalabas T_T.. haha not only rape cases will increase sure yan pati bestiality cguro dadami T_T

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JFK
01/17/2012 07:01

Bang... wag naman nila sabihin na pati masterbation ipag babawal na nako.. pag ganito yong processo cguro na yan tataas nanaman yong rape cases dto sa atin T_T hahah... d nya cguro alam pag isang lalaki umabot sa adolescent stage tumataas yong testosterone lvl T_T hahah lalo lumalakas yong sexual urge T_T pag d yan mapalabas nako ewan ko lng pano nila yan ipapalabas T_T.. haha not only rape cases will increase sure yan pati bestiality cguro dadami T_T

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JFK
01/17/2012 07:01

Bang... wag naman nila sabihin na pati masterbation ipag babawal na nako.. pag ganito yong processo cguro na yan tataas nanaman yong rape cases dto sa atin T_T hahah... d nya cguro alam pag isang lalaki umabot sa adolescent stage tumataas yong testosterone lvl T_T hahah lalo lumalakas yong sexual urge T_T pag d yan mapalabas nako ewan ko lng pano nila yan ipapalabas T_T.. haha not only rape cases will increase sure yan pati bestiality cguro dadami T_T

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Rex Longstroke
01/23/2012 17:21

This story really makes me wanna go rub one out. I'll be back.

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10/03/2011 11:25

I do not know if there is a passage in the Bible about masturbation except over indulgence in sex. Genesis 38: 7-10 says that God abhor spilling of sperm to avoid pregnancy. In masturbation, there is spilling of sperm but there will no pregnancy as that is only done by oneself. Masturbation is not overindulgence in sex except when it is habitual and may affect one's physical health and emotional stability.

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Joe4more
01/14/2012 22:47

Growing hair on palms would be awkward too...

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Steven Tinsley
01/15/2012 08:34

This is a debate on catholic issues. Catholocism does not rely on biblical text. For catholics, the bible is merely advisory.'
The real issue is the eagerness of these people to get personally involved in the private lives of others. The Philipino people have a choice, presumably: Who is going to supervise their ejaculations, the government or the priests! They better find an alternative while their country is still democratic. If they fall into theocracy, the choice will be taken away from them.

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01/15/2012 14:41

Is there any proof that Catholics do not rely on biblical text?

Jane
10/03/2011 13:09

This is beyond stupidity.

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Rangy
10/03/2011 13:21

stupid senator!

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anonymous
10/03/2011 13:34

This is purely ridiculous. I am a Roman Catholic but I find Sen. Enrile's statement a result of a narrow minded stubborn point of view. Men produce millions of sperms every minute and because technically a sperm can only last for at least 48 hours our body needs to get rid of the millions of dead ones. Sen. Enrile suggests that all masterbatory immission is a form of abortion when in fact our body does ways to excrete so that it can give way to new stronger sperm. In other words he is saying that all men is responsible of abortion consciously or unconsciously (i.e. Wet Dreams). Since only one of the millions of sperms survive and will be able to fertilise an egg, Sen. Enrile is condemming each and every man on earth for the said act of abortion. Say for example a man constrains himself from sexual intercourse until the day that he is married. At age 25 that man has already killed an infinite amount of life on earth.

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Jessica
01/14/2012 20:26

You are the first...logical...religious person I've seen commenting in a long time. I wish I could hug you so much right now. I don't hate believers. But I especially love people who defeat idiocy with logic no matter their beliefs. Really, you restored a tiny grain of confidence in mankind with your intelligent perspective. Sending cyber hugs to you. <3

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Rafael
01/14/2012 22:05

Get a room, you two! Seriously, though, good points. I would add that it is by frequent ejaculation that prostate cancer can be prevented. I shudder to think that any god would object to the health of the minion.

01/15/2012 13:29

I completely agree with the logic of your position. It is frustrating when the press only publicizes the fundamentalists and idiots that are attached to any one religion.

What I find interesting is the content of his argument. The senator argues that masturbation is solely for the pleasure of the actor, so it is wrong. He doesn't actually answer the question about pulling out. Also, by his argument, masturbation by a female would not be an abortion, the G-d-given act of menses would. Seeing as how that is a biological function, I am pretty sure that G-d doesn't have an issue with it.

Continuing that line of thought, "wet-dreams" occur spontaneously and without the man's conscious decision. That would mean that G-d has no problem with those, either. So why, if biological function allows for these processes, are they inherently evil or bad?

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10/03/2011 13:40

so he's saying that God allowed us, in the process of nocturnal emission (wet dreams), to auto-abort the human race. sweet. Sen. Enrile for president!

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josh
01/15/2012 01:28

I agree :P by logical deduction if wasting sperm is immoral then it would logically follow that it is every woman's moral obligation to satisfy the biological urges of men who need to offload some sperm.....he is in a roundabout way sanctioning a worldwide constant orgy.....he my friends is my hero :p make this guy president :P

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ANONYMOUS
10/03/2011 13:41

ANONG KA-TANGAHAN NANAMAN ITO???

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Marc
01/15/2012 00:25

Katangahan ay sa kumpletong balewalain para sa katotohanan, pananaliksik, at ang bait!Tao na ito ay walang karapatan upang gumawa ng mga tuntunin na namamahala ng mga libreng mga tao!

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Vx
10/03/2011 13:45

"Not every ejaculation deserves a name." --George Carlin.

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dingydingy
01/12/2012 05:22

but I just named mine Charlie... :c

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Sassie
01/16/2012 04:16

Shari
01/18/2012 07:36

Haahahahah!!

Zna
10/03/2011 13:47

He's 87 years old. From my point of view, this act is a purely irrational statement especially if it's coming from a guy who has zero libido.. lmao..

he's sad.. he feels no excitement infront of women so maybe he thought he might as well do something to it to compensate that bitterness that he can't no longer feel anything. XD

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Anthony
01/14/2012 19:47

He's 87 years old, he's practically already dead, and in 10-15 years, likely will be. He's irrelevant.

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harry
10/03/2011 14:00

pls! pls! pls! lang po mga senator lalong lalo n kay senator enrile pwede po ba unahin ninyo naman ang mga batas na makakatulong sa mga taong nagluklok sa inyo at lalo na sa ika uunlad ng bayan natin. hindi na po nakakatuwa ang mga ginagawa nyo na mag ubos ng oras para lang sa mga bagay na walang kwenta. kung wala rin lang kwenta ang ipapasa niyong batas baka naman po pwede ihuli nyo na lang pagdebatehan yan.
Senator enrile tumatanda yata kayo ng paurong.wag nyo sabihin never kayo nagmasterbate sa buong buhay nyo or hindi nyo kailangan dahil sa dami ng mga babaeng binili nyo o pinagparausan.

mas mainam n yan magmasterbate kesa mangrape hindi ba!

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Borj
10/03/2011 14:10

i feel sorry for him... but please if you cant no longer masturbate... dont punish those who can... it only shows how bitter you are!

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Janz
10/03/2011 14:14

you know what guyz? a man emitted millions of sperms when the couple is on the process of conceiving a child... and that millions of sperms, only one fertilizes the egg... how about the remaining sperms that are unfertilized? they would going to live inside the "vagina" of a woman? they would definitely not!!! "IF" SEN. ENRILE says that MASTURBATION is an abortion, then CHILD-BEARING IS ALSO AN ABORTION!!! right?!

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01/15/2012 14:44

Correct.

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Melala
01/17/2012 22:08

*clapping*

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mendozamaricel
10/03/2011 14:17

Tama hahaha bakit diba nila naranasan o ginawa hahahay

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Budzr
10/03/2011 14:23

Kayong nasa senado. Kung ano -anong RH bill ang gusto nyong ipasa. Bakit di nyo pag tuunan ngpqnsin ang lumalang korapsyon at kahitapan ng bansa. Bilib parin ako sa ilang senador at senadora dahil buo parin Pag iisip nila kahit may idad. Yung ibang kulang na sa pag iisip mag retire na. Pati narin sa mga matatandang lider ng simbahan. NakakatWa kayo pag pina panood kayo sa ibang bansa. Mga BABOY na politicos (hinde laha) at ibang lider Ng simbahan na IMORAL.

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10/03/2011 15:09

i just want to suggest to this senator to review the constitution, he should read the content of Article II section 12 of Philippine, and he should try to read the content of Article II section 6: the Separation of Church and State... the congress should not have a debate about this RH Bill. besides, many Filipino couple are practicing withdrawal method, the usage of contraceptives and condoms without any passed bills. the church is just over reacting to the said "LIFE" issues.

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Janz
10/03/2011 15:10

@no to rh people

looking back at the history! Catholic was not the first who started our government,
only it contributed to the establishment.
we already have our government before spanish. so invalid argument.

in terms of morality, we could create a moral standard.
why? moral is only human perception of right or wrong. so it is invalid argument.

human ultimate goal,"to enjoy what is life" right? if a person did not enjoy the pro creation(particularly these people,,, gays, lesbians, and those who are not ready) would lead to any other way... as to fulfill their pleasure. invalid again.

democracy.. our country is democrat that we could share our point of views.. why we should leave this alone? still an invalid argument.

if we missed the point which "masturbation is ONLY equal to abortion" i am honor to change all those statements here by inserting EQUAL! but then sorry to say that no matter how we state or re-state... it did no change to the idea? try nyo kaya?

@pro- rh people

you are free to criticize,,, and all ur views are valid! why? you presented a perfect image of what u think at what sen. Enrile said!
well it is not that we are against with enrile,, it is his statement that we are!

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10/03/2011 15:11

*senate*

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Janz
10/03/2011 15:17

anyway tnx guyz.. u shared a lot of ideas! it would come out to be useful for philosophy class and understanding gender subject..

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10/03/2011 15:26

Please please let me repost this. I will track back. This is hilarious and so sad at the same time.

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virj
10/03/2011 15:39

mali anman ang statement ni sen. enrile.. sa pagkakaalam ko ang MASTERBATION is an act of imorality which is pervertion, hinde ABORTION! kung ang sperm ba ng baog na lalaki ay walang tail para maka move, taz nag masterbate, hindi naman yun buhay, ibig ba sabihin nun d sya nagkomit ng abortion, it sounds stupid!

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Jeff
10/03/2011 15:48

Why can't sen. Enrile distinguish the fact that abortion is simply a "termination" of birth.

I thought the earliest stage that we may consider as an abortion is after the act of conception.

And now masturbation? He made it sound like sperm cells can give birth on it's own.

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Melala
01/17/2012 22:12

That is, in fact, correct. It's called a chemical pregnancy, also known as one that occurs prior to implantation.

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111kenny
10/03/2011 15:57

is he really serious? tis this really coming from a very WISE old man... hahahah!! if he's wise then i'd rather be stupid... :D

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hongli
10/03/2011 16:01

if im not mistaken some priest in other countries are required to do mandatory masturbation to prevent prostate cancer... so lets think about it this way... there is millions of sperm when we have an intercourse so if a male gets a woman pregnant its still abortion because out of the millions of sperm released only one will become a baby... this debate sounds more stupid than ever

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Soul
10/03/2011 16:15

haha the wise old man has spoken. A statement out of pure bitterness.

He almost 90 years old and he's trying to punish us for having a zero sex drive.

But then again.. kanya kanyang trip yan.. haha and for the record. masturbation in general term is not an act of perversion! It all goes down on how and where you do it.

And if the senator believes that this is an act of abortion. then a single sperm cell alone, if left on any surface, let's say your keyboard, floor or a pillow etc. we might as well wait for months and wait for a baby to grow and happy fathers day.!! yay

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10/03/2011 16:18

janz! ang talino mo!

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Milli
10/03/2011 16:23

Waiting for Lourd de Veyra to have a word on this.. hahaha


tumatanda ng paurong si senador!! kaya tayo naman ngayon ang sinisisi kasi di na sya tinitigasan.. hahaha

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Yamyam
10/03/2011 16:44

hahahha.. how come senator Enrile became a senator if he think that way.. since MASTURBATION is a way of releasing sperm.. then MENSTRUATION can also be considered as ABORTION? since it releases the unfertilized eggs..

ikaw na bitter Sen!!..

so meaning, instead of commiting abortion, it is ok to have unwanted pregnancy?.. or worse, mapilitan ang ibang lalaki na mangrape..

tsk tsk tsk...

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Guesto
10/03/2011 16:44

Long story short..


Second childhood

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Sinful
10/03/2011 16:44

IDIOT

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Perverted
10/03/2011 16:48

I'll be god damn. I can't believe he has the ability think this kind of way. "Very STUPID!" anyways, I respect your opinion but then again. still. stupid! for fuck sake!!

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pinoy
10/03/2011 16:49

enrile is just being selfish .. hindi na kasi nag mamasturbate kasi gurang na...

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r
10/03/2011 16:50

masturbation is done by both male and female. Males excrete sperms after they masturbate. Females on the other hand doesn't excrete eggs after masturbation for that would be called menstruation. So Females must be allowed to masturbate because no life would be killed by doing so. Unless she would videotape the act and post it on the internet, that would cause a shitload of sperms to be spread across keyboards. But still, Senator Enrile, just focus on poverty, will you?

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MeetAgain74
01/15/2012 06:26

Ah, the first comment I've seen that notes that the term "masturbation" does not refer exclusively to males. About time someone here realized that!
Even menstruation is not the same thing re: excreting eggs. Menstruation happens after the egg is no longer viable, to clean out the uterus and allow it to prepare for another cycle of potential fertility.

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Dip
10/03/2011 16:51

And sen. Enrile based this statement according to his belief as a Roman Catholic.

It's like saying "masturbation is bad because my mom said so"

I wish politicians and the rest of filipinos would stop using religion as their main basis of ideas to win an argument.

Why can't we just live as a good person and do good things regardless of our religions.

I'm a Christian but never have I ever made a decision out of what the church has taught me. It all comes down to what you think is right.

Religion should inspire us not manipulate ourselves and discard the value of rationality that our Creator has given us.

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i hate hypocrites
10/03/2011 16:53

I would like to attempt an analogy relating senator Enrile's statement to a simple everyday activity. If sperm and ovum makes a baby, then 1 and 1 makes 2. If you waste a sperm, you waste a baby. Does that mean if you waste Php1, you also waste Php2? Maybe in some parallel universe, where the laws of physics and nature are utterly obscured, this is true, but senator Enrile should base his arguments on the laws of physics dictated by "this" universe where we all live in.

I am also wondering if senator Enrile NEVER masturbated in his entire life... WOW! WHAT TREMENDOUS SELF CONTROL! YOU SHOULD BE A SAINT! (I THINK NOT)

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jon
10/03/2011 16:56

They would do such a thing para lng gumastos!!alam nyo ba na kada hearing nyan,malaki ang gastos...they are just wasting time,effort and most of all ang PERA natin,just for a stupid and nonsense na bagabagay!!!!hay!!kaya hnd yumayaman ang pilipinas!!ng dahil sa mga taong ganyan!!!

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Asb
10/03/2011 17:03

I think sen. Pia was winning that argument so Enrile had no choice but to come up with such a stupid idea para lang maka lusot... well at the price of his reputation as a senator.

It's very common on debates.

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Julz Oliveros
10/03/2011 17:10

If masturbation is abortion... does menstruation count as abortion too?

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none
10/03/2011 17:12

palibhasa matanda na hindi na nilalabasan...

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Patrick
10/03/2011 17:14

Fine line between orgasm and organism, dear senator.
Masturbation and Abortion is as "natural" as they come(pardon the pun, can't help it). Other animals(aside from us) have been known to masturbate. As someone pointed out, It facilitates the replacement of weaker sperm. Abortion is also natural only that we have a better term for it- miscarriage. So let's not call it abortion but rather "mass miscarriage".
I guess if we guys want to play it by the "book." We can have vasectomy. But we are required to deposit some sperm, first. But what's a few hail mary's to guilt-free sex and half-sex later on. Or one can squeeze the vas deferens. Maybe we can pass laws that allows for passing sperm after the ejaculation(+10 secs)as not an abortion. Maybe the senator can require rings on the balls for boys ages 12 and up.

But seriously, we should not base our morals on a book that allows stoning someone to death, as just punishment. Our morality should be rational.

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Mau
10/03/2011 17:15

If Sen. Enrile thinks that masturbation is an act of abortion and he wants us to stop doing it because we are an accessory to a crime then where is our freedom to privacy? Everything that we do now is like GOCC (Gov't-owned and controlled Catholics).

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franklin
10/03/2011 17:23

pabayaan nyo na si enrile, matanda na kasi yan, kung ano2x na lang pinagsasabi.

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10/03/2011 17:24

I find it amuseing that a religion that does not allow its priest to marry,or allow women as priest,should have so many opinions about sex.I respectfully say to the senator,you are free to have your opinion,but do not impose them on others.your views punish the poor,who cannot afford birth control.this leads to more poverty for them and their children.maybe thats the goal.more children for priest to abuse?if you find my statement offensive,thats how I feel when I read the senators statement

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wack
10/03/2011 17:39

Make Love with a partner ... yes senator i agree.

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regie
10/03/2011 17:54

SUGGESTED READING: Theology of the Body by Pope John Paul II ... to help gain clarity on the subject

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chamoko
10/03/2011 18:05

punyeta.. ee baka nga sa kabataan niya ginawa niya din yang withdrawal na yan.

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cyruz
10/03/2011 18:11

so stupid pra maisip n maging batas yn hndi nmn nila mamomonitor yun...

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kalag
10/03/2011 18:12

a bitter old man that thinks of himself and not the majority.....Kung dili nana mo gahi imoha...ug wala nay pulos....ipapotol na....ayaw mi apilapila sa imong kabuang...Nag paila lang nga your wasting peoples money sa walay pulos nga trabaho.... you should focus more to a more serious problems sa mga tao....Gago!!!!

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10/03/2011 18:15

anu b yan npakabitter mo nman senator,,kng anu anu pngsasabi.andami n nga population dyan sa pilipinas,and government cannot provide enough job.taz papdami pa population.its sucks,hindi mo ba alam that even philippines is a small country pero ang population nman eh ang dmi dyan tau nkakaline up sa world records eh.think of what the government can gve better life for all filipinos not giving burden on us.

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moron
10/03/2011 18:17

SENATOR!!! MAGBASA KA NG DIKTIONARYO!!! BOBO MO!!!

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ako
10/03/2011 18:22

ang bobo. nakakainis, kung ano ano nlng naiisip. hmmp. palibhasa talo na sya sa debate.

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Xtian
10/03/2011 18:25

Di ba ito ang sinabi niya, "Gusto ko Happy Ka!" paano kapag yun lang ang katuwaan ko sa buhay?

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LoveSex
10/03/2011 18:25

Ejaculation is same as lesser evil and can help someone to ease its desire without affecting others. Sexual desire is normal so as fulfilling it.

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10/03/2011 18:26

KABOBOHAN NAMAN NITO!! GAGO!!

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10/03/2011 18:37

idol p nmn kita senador enrile...okey n e..kaso sumablay ka d2 e...wag ganun! dumating ka din sa panahon ng kabataan u...nagsasalsal ka din..nw kung d u n kaya magup down...iba n lng karerin u..hay naku! SABLAY! BOOOOMMM!

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Kurt
10/03/2011 18:38

If you're looking for a biblical verse which says that masturbation is evil, VOILA! There is. Read Genesis 38:9-11. Taking KJV, Genesis 38:9-11 says: {38:9} And Onan knew
that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he
went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled [it] on the
ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. {38:10}
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD:
wherefore he slew him also.

I shall agree with the view of Senator Enrile. Very mature, intellectual, and godly.

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Christine
10/03/2011 18:38

This is very irrational. Couples cannot just keep creating babies especially in this economy. Seriously, this is beyond stupidity.

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pare
10/03/2011 18:41

DAPAT NA KASE PATAYIN LAHAT NG PARE!!! THEY KEEP ON INTERFERING ON GOVERNMENT ISSUES!!! NANG SA GANUN HAPPY AKO!!!

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keenan
10/03/2011 18:43

well ang masasavi ko lng ky sen."Haters gonna Hate"

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Tyr
10/03/2011 18:45

so the good senator never masturbates....err...yeah...right....and I'm the friggin' pope.

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onan
10/03/2011 18:45

Kurt please read.

Some, mistakenly, cite Onan in Gen 38:9 as suggesting that masturbation is a sin. In fact, "onanism" has become a synonym for masturbation. But this is obviously an error, and a rather daft one at that. We know what Onan did, for it is spelled out for us in lurid detail; and we know why it was a sin: he was maliciously using and cheating Tamar in way that was wrong. In any case, what Onan was doing was certainly not masturbating, and you have to be pretty dimwitted to miss this.

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10/03/2011 18:53

masturbation prevents prostate cancer!!! Having sex doesn't always mean you have to create life!!! Sex is has a lot of health benefits specially for the heart. Sex is ok as long as you dont RAPE and both partners agree to do it!

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Isang tunay na lalaki
10/03/2011 18:56

Ang tunay na lalaki nag-jajakol!!

Baog ata yan si Sen. Enrile matanda na kasi kaya ndi na kayang magjaks.. haha

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scorched
10/03/2011 19:03

The essence of the RH bill is basically the value of the human life once a sperm meets an egg, because that's when human life starts.

But separately, a sperm is a sperm, and an egg is ang egg. They're both living things, yes, but on their own its not "yet" human life.

What the senator stated is the prior stage before the creation of human life, and this is way out of scope. Just don't be a hypocrite in stating that you haven't masturbated in your whole life.

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Lagot_Ako
10/03/2011 19:06

Masturbation = abortion = murder.

Lalagyan ko na ng double lock ang banyo ko baka ma-raid ako.

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bobo_SEN_gs2`koHAPPY_KA
01/15/2012 03:23

wahahha.... yari tau ni2

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10/03/2011 19:07

And Shepherds we shall be
For thee, my Lord, for thee.
Power hath descended forth from Thy hand
Our feet may swiftly carry out Thy commands.
So we shall flow a river forth to Thee
And teeming with souls shall it ever be.

In Nomeni Patri, Et Fili, Spiritus Sancti.

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Angela
01/16/2012 04:48

hitman-AWESOME!

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J
10/03/2011 19:10

This argument is beyond retarded. Shouldn't the politicians be concerned of more important issues such as poverty and improving the economy and stuff like that?

Religion is always used as way to bend the way people think."Oh the book says this and the book says that." Come on! how stupid can you be. Most don't even follow half of what its written and that's just being modest.

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10/03/2011 19:28

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8233
Gen. 38:8-10

8. So Judah said to Onan, "Come to your brother's wife and perform the rite of the levirate, and raise up progeny for your brother." ח. וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוּדָה לְאוֹנָן בֹּא אֶל אֵשֶׁת אָחִיךָ וְיַבֵּם אֹתָהּ וְהָקֵם זֶרַע לְאָחִיךָ:
9. Now Onan knew that the progeny would not be his, and it came about, when he came to his brother's wife, he wasted [his semen] on the ground, in order not to give seed to his brother. ט. וַיֵּדַע אוֹנָן כִּי לֹּא לוֹ יִהְיֶה הַזָּרַע וְהָיָה אִם בָּא אֶל אֵשֶׁת אָחִיו וְשִׁחֵת אַרְצָה לְבִלְתִּי נְתָן זֶרַע לְאָחִיו:
10. Now what he did was evil in the eyes of the Lord, and He put him to death also. י. וַיֵּרַע בְּעֵינֵי יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה וַיָּמֶת גַּם אֹתוֹ:

Putting this in an Orthodox Judaism perspective, masturbation is not at all abortion. It is the destruction of the seed (semen) outside of the VAGINA that is a sin. Therefore masturbation is still a sin, but this is not abortion which is equivalent to murder.

Abortion is considered murder when the fetus looks like a HUMAN, if it does not look a human yet, then abortion is allowed.

However, I do not know what the official view of Karaite Judaism would say about the verse above.

If you analyze it clearly, what did Onan do? First his father told him to marry his sister-in-law, because Jews are suppose to perform levirate marriage when a brother dies, and to fullfil that and honor his brother, he[Onan] must impregnate his brother's wife, that way he[Er] may have a child through Onan. But Onan, wasted his semen because he did not want to impregnate her, because he KNEW that the CHILD WON'T be his, at least not on paper, or their view, but genetically it was suppose to be his, if he got Tamar pregnant.

What was really wrong here, is that he[Onan] did not fulfill his duty.

Anyway Orthodox Judaism interprets the verse above as equivalent to masturbation, I'll have to stick with that.

Kurt I totally disagree with your view, you are putting things in people's mind, the wrong way of understanding the verse. What Onan did was not masturbation per se, it was simply withdrawal, but let us just say that it is the same as masturbation. What Onan did was simply not fulfilling his duty of the LEVIRATE law.

Kurt if you agree with Enrile, we totally disagree with both of you, MASTURBATION is not ABORTION.

"I shall agree with the view of Senator Enrile. Very mature, intellectual, and godly."--KURT

Yeah, right, your views are both unfounded and ignorant, not very intellectual but dumb and very close minded. Godly? perhaps, but way out of the original intent of the RH bill. And your quote is way out of equating masturbation to murder/abortion.

Sen. Enrile, I voted for you when you ran for president way back then, I voted for you everytime you ran for the senate. Now, when you do run again, I will never vote for you anymore, it seems you are not in your right mind anymore, you have become like a senile old man. Consider retiring from politics please.

Shalom!

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the herder
10/03/2011 19:29

Sen. Enrile, sir, did you lose your penis and or your balls?

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bisnar
10/03/2011 19:33

Si Senator Enrile kasi ay Di nagbabate.

Never siyang magbate Dahil ang alam niya pag nagpalabas siya kailangan mabuhay he he he he he. Di niya hahayaang mamatay ang sperm cell niya pag nagbate siya he he he he he....

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bhongclong
10/03/2011 19:34

mr. enrile wala k ng maisip na mabuti kinakain n ng agiw yang utak mo sa sobrang katandaan mo mag retiro kn mas makakatulong kp

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10/03/2011 19:40

Every session in congress they much read hear a portion of the Torah. 613 Mitzvot http://goo.gl/DZd2f http://about.me/khane

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10/03/2011 19:42

You infidels!!!

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shia
10/03/2011 19:42

He is Insane! Leave the senate! We don't need your stupidity! How come a senator do not know a simple meaning as "Masturbation"??? What the!!!

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heretic
10/03/2011 19:42

Man this senator is going down, he is not only a hypocrite, maybe he has lost his balls, wait, maybe he did also lost his dick right on dudes.

Maybe he is just old, and maybe he thinks he is going to kick the bucket soon. Sen. Enrile, I think you are just trying to make up, maybe this is your way of atoning for your sins, come to think of it its almost Yom Kippur for the Jews.

Oh, wait, your afraid of going to hell, and you think kissing up to the ol' catholic church is going to get you out of eternal damnation? Wait... your not kissing up to the church really, your... kissing Roman Catholic priests asses.

I wonder if they smell like shit, or if they are perfumed so what is it senator?

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Achmed
10/03/2011 19:46

SEN ENRILLE!!! SILENCE!!! I KILL YOU!!!

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Ang
01/16/2012 04:56

hahahaha! A little humor to lighten the mood.

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Virgo
10/03/2011 19:54

Oh Plzzzz.. Just shut up and solve more important things like corruption and poverty.
Are the senators getting a hard-on discussing this issue? That's pathetic..

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Nelson Credo
10/03/2011 19:54

"That is my belief. That is a matter of faith to me”, according to Enrile..
I believe we need to respect his beliefs guys, there is no need for us to be profane abt his article, after all, we are all entitled to our own personal views, having a view like that doesnt make him an idiot, infact it made him a thinker.
‎7 capital sins, includes lust.. u cannot complete masturbation without lust, as such it made masturbation a sin. I am not a hypocrite, I do it myself, which makes me a sinner, but spiritually, it goes against the religious norms. Sex, is suppose to be a holy ritual or activity which is designed for creation, just a view and accordign to what I learned in seminary:))

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ewetwetwt
10/03/2011 19:55

isnt there such a thisng as separation of church and state?then why does everything have to refer to the church?

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Mhel
10/03/2011 19:58

OMG wala nb kyong maisip??? Anu hindi k ng musterbate nung bata ka??? Kya hindi umuunlad ang pilipinas kc kung anu a nu iniisip nyo sa senado... Dapat ang isipin nyo kung pno uunlad ang bansang pilipinas!!!! Nkkhiya kyo if mbbasa yang ng ibat ibang bansa!!!!

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10/03/2011 20:04

@Kurt:

So, if we were to base our legal decisions on this passage, then since it states "And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also", then we should sentence all men who 'spill seed' to the death penalty??

Take note that to 'spill seed' could mean not only masturbation but also release during sleep (wet dreams), accidental discharge outside the vagina during normal intercourse... you could even consider the millions of unsuccessful sperm as being 'spilled'. So Kurt, by your logic, we should execute every living, sexually-active male on the planet.

And hey, since we also practice gender equality, let's not forget that women also 'spill seed' every month! Let's execute them all as well. That way, no one will sin any more, coz there'll be no one left in the world to commit sin!

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Hydus
10/03/2011 20:21

Damn it.... We have idiots for congressmen... Now a senator going senile? That's what the public gets for letting these jackasses run our country.

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SUPOT !!!
10/03/2011 20:22

SUPOT LANG ANG DI GUMAGAWA NYAN!!!!

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Leonor Milner
10/03/2011 20:30

This is the most stupid statement i ever heard. God gave us a knowledge to develop and improve the life of mankind. Didn't they ever think that God gave us the knowledge to develop how to control the population because He knew that once the human population saturate the earth, everybody will loose the sense of respect and love to one another and resort on murdering everyone just to survive? which one is sinner, to kill someone for you to be able to survive or control the growth of population using all alternative contraceptives in which my opinion is a knowledge given to us by God to correct the stupidity of people who read the bible literally? Wake up Sen. Enrila, I used to be your admirer but now I think you become a senile

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Ruichi
10/03/2011 20:33

Not only boys masterbate, also girls.

LOL. Stupid niyo. Kaya walang asenso pilipinas kasi salita ng salita di nag iisip.

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10/03/2011 20:38

I just remembered dear Sen. Enrile, I did not vote for you for president after all, thank g-d. I remember voting for Ramos. Man, your senility is contagious.

Again Onan, was killed because he was dishonest, not because he spilled his seed. Onan was killed because he cheated in fulfilling the levirate law.

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Libido Madness
10/03/2011 20:41

Senator Enrile, mawalang-galang na pero gusto mo dalhin kita sa kabilang buhay?!?! DI MO ALAM IBIG SABIHIN NG ABORTION?!?!? STUPIDITY NAMAN

SILA NA NAGEXPLAIN DITO.

HINDI KA BA NALIBUGAN SA BUONG BUHAY MO?!?!

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heretic
10/03/2011 20:43

Hahay... Sen. Enrile, we all know you are a bastard please stop trying to compensate with that. Nobody is perfect, even your dad got your mom pregnant, ooppss... and your mom is not even married to your dad.

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Alice
10/03/2011 20:45

:| And once again, this proves how Filipinos are being stupid when it comes to having religion interfering on what's supposed to be natural (masturbation and sex) and safe (contraception as they still accuse using contraceptives as abortion too). And given how the RH bill is political, I don't see why there have to be freaking Bible thumpers interfering unless it's dangerous to the morals (which it's NOT in this case).

Sorry for going off in a rant like this, but this is what pisses me off about the country, especially since I am attending college here, so I'm aware what's going on. As a Filipino who is American born, no words can express my shame on how people are hiding behind religion and making false statements about things that are natural and are supposed to be safe. By people, I mean stupid government officials who are really religious or the religious community itself as we all know the majority of them are not happy about the RH Bill.

=/ So, I'll be as honest as possible about this whole spectacle: Pro RH Bill ako. May problema yan?

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orgasmiclife
10/03/2011 20:46

Let's look at this possibly obvious scenario...

For a politician to gain an easy win in the elections, one must be able to find a channel that would connect him/her to the people. Since our country houses the most Roman Catholics, it is very feasible for them to negotiate the power of the public's vote for their "voice" in the country's current dealings and advancements(?!). I am not saying that everyone in position used this procedure, but then again... religious intervention is so medieval, would you agree? It is indeed a sad reality ladies and gentlemen, however this is how it normally goes. Or probably that's just me.

All I could say is that the code of the society's morality changes as we progress in this life. It is completely unwise for us to "stagnate" to the dogma of times past, simply because it poses to hinder, or even reject various information that may be beneficial for one's (or even everyone's) survival. However we should also not dismiss these age-old beliefs, as some of them are tried and tested for the country's "survival".

The Senator may have wisdom left in his words, to which we find is as complete lunacy. However I would strongly suggest that he would get out of his haven, and look at the reality of OUR lives. He among everybody else should understand the value of life, not just on the context of religion, but also on the preservation of our existence.

Again, that's just probably me.

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Alex-
10/03/2011 20:48

pointless view.. wew superb idiotic views..

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Pinkdevil
10/03/2011 20:50

Woe to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds! when the morning is light, they practise it, because it is in the power of their hand.

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X
10/03/2011 20:56

grabe naman... supidity naman to. hahaha.
la na bang magawang maayos ang mga senado?
parang puro nalang kalokohan ginagawa nila eh.

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heretic
10/03/2011 20:58

Philippines blessed by god with perpetual balance.

One day God was watching the earth, so he called on all the members of the heavenly court and said.

God: Look, look at this place, it shall be called the Philippines, a place where there is balance. The criminals are always caught, there are always a lot of honest people, they will be admired and revered all over the earth, they will have professionals and highly skilled workers who work all over the Earth.

Angel 1: But my Lord, where is the balance in that, it sounds it is all good, what about the bad side, if most criminals are caught, then it is only good that prevails there.

God: Oh you just wait... until you see the politicians.

Sen. ENRILE please help us, please retire.

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Laugh Trip
10/03/2011 21:07

Hahahahahahahahahahahaahaha

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sex addict
10/03/2011 21:21

not all sperm discharge is caused by masturbation, some serious disease is involved, does it mean a sin?no one wants to have a serious disease like prostate disease and besides if the population grow, would you support them all, would you want them to suffer for a years and die later.

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senator jakol
10/03/2011 21:22

maipasa lang ung RH bill, nagpapakatanga na si enrile. a agree sana ako e, kaso... naniniwala ba kayo na never pa nagjakol si enrile? HAHAH

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EMPEROR JAKA
10/03/2011 21:31

SEX TOYS are now WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! Hugh Hefner will be treated as a Terrorist like Osama? MOCHA and SISTAR19 are also terrorists or assassins...

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Alex Mallari
10/03/2011 21:32

Akala ko ba gusto mo happy kami?

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Marc
10/03/2011 21:33

This is such an unbelievalble idiotic view

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Daisy
10/03/2011 21:43

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. This is the senator's faith. I guess, we should respect what he believes in. If you have nothing good to say, might as well keep it to yourselves since it doesn't help anyways. :) Just my opinion.

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edbert
10/03/2011 21:44

then he had committed abortion a very long time ago, how hypocrite he is!

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10/03/2011 22:00

ito ang na iisip ng mga senador na desperadong manalo ulit sa election! Sen.ENRILE magresign ka nalang kung uala kang maisip na matino di namen kelangan ang inyong opinion about RH.BILL kung ganito ka kakitid mag.isip.. mawalang galang na po..

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bsbiograd
10/03/2011 22:06

Sen. Enrile, why don't you enroll yourself in a biology program? masturbation does not tantamount to abortion.

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mark2k80
10/03/2011 22:20

politics is politics, law is law, faith is faith... faith has nothing to do wit the politics or in law..haha

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Rgo
10/03/2011 22:33

Neck neck mo enrile. di na kita iboboto dahil dito

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Rosal Salcedo
10/03/2011 22:41

sa madaling salita, Sagrado ang TAMOD!

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Miggy
10/03/2011 22:44

LOL XD Abot langit naman sa kamang-managan to hahaha :D

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Karelin
10/03/2011 22:47

If I'm a Filipino, I'm ashame to become Catholic. Catholicism is a stain to the Filipinos and their country. Especially Enrile's statement about masturbation exist. Catholicism, religion, idiot culture and corruption are the main obstacles for me to respect the Filipinos and their country.

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Slimmy Shade
10/03/2011 22:51

Kabobohan! This thing is very inevitable. Seriously speaking, paano nagkaroon ng buhay ang sperm lang or ang egg cell lang? Eh kung ganoon pala, sana wala ng nagkakapamilya? Hindi naman makakabuo ng isang living being kung hindi magmemeet ang dalawang bagay na 'yan eh. Tapos abortion? Eh mas malala pa nga 'yong ginagawa ng iba na pinapalaglag or ipapanganak tapos ibabalot sa sako at itatapon sa kalsada na lang. Katoliko ako pero may utak naman kahit papano.

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Chotspayaso
10/03/2011 22:57

bittor si lolo! nde na tumatayo eh

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ernie
10/03/2011 22:58

WHAT A GRAVE FOOLISHNESS!

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Jay
10/03/2011 23:17

BAKIT DI NILA PAGTUONAN NG PANSIN UNG MGA LUGAR NA BUMABAHA AYUSIN NILA!!! KYSA UBUSIN NILA UNG MGA ORAS NILA S KAKAGAWA NG MGA WALANG KWENTANG BAGAY..! MAGISIP NAMAN KAYO! KAYA NAMIN KAYO BINOTO PARA MAAYOS UNG BANSA.. SA TINGIN MO BA ANG GNAGAWA MO MKAKATULONG S BANSA? KAPAG DUMAMI UNG TAO S PILIPINAS ANO MANGYAYARI S BANSA? DI KA PALA NGIICIP EH!!! FAMILY PLANNING NGA DI UMIIPEKTO YAN P KYA??

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Angelo
10/03/2011 23:18

parang sinabi mo narin na bawal bumahing at dahil may mga milyon milyong germs na BUHAY na pwede mong mapatay. STUPID crap

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aaaaaaaaaaaa
10/03/2011 23:22

99% of the world masturbates 0.1% lies about it! :) guess kasma si sen sa .1%? :))))

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Jessie M.
10/03/2011 23:29

So, Mister Ponce Enrile, If masturbation is a form of Abortion, why dont you ask your tiny little brain if you mastrubate yourself before. I would be amazed (actually, SO SO AMAZED!!) if you never did that once. Just think about it!

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bryan
10/03/2011 23:30

tae ! sa dami dami ng problema ng pilipinas na dapat intindihin' naisip pa nila ang pag jajakol?

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Mel D.
10/03/2011 23:36


That's what you get when you put a 100 year old man in the senate.

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miso
10/03/2011 23:44

gusto ko Happy ka :)

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Apolinario Gabviola
10/03/2011 23:47

pinagtatangtangal na trabaho ang mga workers at alipin na sa utang ang mga magsasaka ito pang binabagyo na ang bayan, kalunos lunos na ng kalagayan ng mamamayan ito pa ang naispan ng PASISTANG SENADOR....Matanda na kasi at isip PASISTA laki na ng utang mo sa mamamayang PILIPINO!

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Haymen
10/03/2011 23:53

Huwag nyo na lang patulan. alam nyo naman na tumatanda na eh. Iyong pag-iisip nya humihina na. Hay Men!

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10/03/2011 23:55

oh c'mon im a murderer, please chase me amakillah!

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Anony
10/04/2011 00:02

Bobo kang hukluban ka. Ano nga ulit frat nitong inutil na 'to? Puro dogma ang alam e.

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anon131
10/04/2011 00:03

OMG ROFLMAOOL

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Vadhz
10/04/2011 00:13

Ako Papayag ako na maging illegal ang pag masturbate ... PERO!!!!!! dapat maging legal ang mang rape !!!!

Cno agree?!

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stupid
10/04/2011 00:19

can they talk about other things?? wasting time on that topic, don't they know how much money they waste??

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nonong
10/04/2011 00:24

the only thing bad about masturbation is that ...
you think dirty about someone.
LUST = one of the seven deadly sin.
GO RH BILL !!!

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noone
10/04/2011 00:26

Pro-RH double-agent ata si lolo... he just successfully sabotaged the anti-RH cause :P

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james Alinabo
10/04/2011 00:32

Filipino Style of legislation... what a stupid senator..... Harvard graduate pa naman si Enrile....... WTF!......

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Roman Catholic
10/04/2011 00:35

So what he's trying to say that everytime a rapist masturbates into a sock thats abortion na? Every catholic priest who pisses is already committing abortion? (Our body releases sperm when we pee). Vote Wisely :)

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mistabill
10/04/2011 00:59

Remember it's only premarital sex if you plan to get married.

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pepito
10/04/2011 01:01

I understand why Juan Ponce Enrile made this bill , this is due to that his Penis won't stand and become hard already, and he wants the sympathy Filipino men. one for all, all for one... LOL......

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erectus
10/04/2011 01:05

Stupidity in a sense.. Senility. showing the feebleness of old age.
No sense actually. Rhetorics!

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10/04/2011 01:05

"And the question that bothers me is… Is the sperm alive? Is the ovum of the woman alive? I have consulted doctors and the answer is yes."

not all things that ALIVE have SOUL..

wala na ba kayong maisip na gagawing batas?

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Gens
10/04/2011 01:25

Actually may bill na against masturbation. Yung Anti-Angry Birds Bill. Haha.

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Murag g anguangu nka senador maau pag mopahulay sa ka kay non-sense imong mga g panulti.

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BroadMinded
10/04/2011 01:29

First of all, I admire Sen. Enrile for giving such a bold statement even though it would trigger raised eyebrows.

Now I'd like to contradict that statement though, that "masturbation is abortion" or whatever that is in that sense. These are two different things in scientific terms and in common sense (which is not so common after all).

Now you can stop here if you don't want preachy stuff.

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However, I would like to say that these are both SINS. Lust is one of the sins that are clearly forbidden by the Bible. And masturbation cannot be done without thinking of lustful scenarios. It is impossible to be sexually triggered without having your mind process images od sexual acts. You "de-humanize" the person you are thinking of by making him/her an object of lust. God said that whatever you do, you should do it for His glory. Sex within the bounds of marriage honors God, because God himself gave that order for married couples. But for us to sexually satisfy ourselves through masturbation, will not lead to any good. You may say that it helps prevent prostate cancer. This is one of the human excuses. But come to think of it, if you really look at the motives, it is not really to prevent prostate cancer but rather to satisfy temporary desires. Most of the time, masturbation starts after watching or reading pornographic materials. It starts from there, and then lust slowly creeps in and you start to crave for more and want to soon practice it with an actual sex partner. Believe me, unwanted pregnancies start with simple fanticizing and masturbation.

Abortion on the other hand, is obviously murder. Just because a child is conceived because of wrong choices (pre-marital sex, which is also a sin in the Bible), does mean that he is a mistake. A mistake cannot be made right by another mistake. That baby deserves to live for he is innocent of any sin. As they say, "Abortion does not make you a free single lady, it makes you a mother of a dead baby." Others would argue that abortion is necessary sometimes because of health reasons, like either the mother or the baby will die if it is not performed. So is this the solution? To kill innocent blood? If you are in this situation, pray that God will give you clarity on what to do and pray for healing. But obviously, His will is not to liberally kill the baby.

If a mother really loves her young one, she would make a good choice. Sadly, too many unprepared mothers-to-be choose convenience over facing responsibility so they choose abortion. They choose it not really for health reasons.

So my opinion about the Enrile statement, although abortion and masturbation are two different things, they are both displeasing to God. Therefore, not any of these acts must be practiced. Masturbation, though, cannot be monitored by the authorities (I mean, c'mon), so it boils down to a matter of self-judgment and personal preference (but yes, I discourage it).

That's it. I'm done. Sorry for being preachy and quite far-fetched from the topic, I thought I would just want to share (free country). Peace folks. God bless you all!

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Dennis
10/04/2011 01:32

Hahahhaha. this is beyond reason.. what kind of mind would think that doing masturbation can really be equaled to abortion. think something relevant

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itos
10/04/2011 01:32

pambihira nmn si 87yrs old senator..palibahasa kasi nakaraos n sya eh..tsk tsk

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Pedro Penduko
10/04/2011 01:32

Senator Pia's mother is an american.. The american sex is very different from Filipino where the man enforce ejaculation inside the vagina... perhaps we should start copying the american styles where the enjaculation should be put in the mouth and lips.. that could be the messages of senator Pia... It more enjoyable for me...hehehehehehe

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WOW
10/04/2011 01:39

I totally agree with BroadMinded!

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teban
10/04/2011 01:40

galing mo broadminded, ikaw na!

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10/04/2011 01:51

i know it!

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DaTu
10/04/2011 01:56

To: Germi Cruz Sison regarding the bible verse that you quoted. Please read it again and understand it clearly.

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gil
10/04/2011 02:10

god shmod i cant believe people base important life decisions on a fucking 2000 year old book of fiction

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reyn
10/04/2011 02:16

Meh.

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HEY
10/04/2011 02:17

hello gil. apparently, your "2000 year old book of fiction" changed my life. God bless you.

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Curtis
10/04/2011 02:37

Don't we all hate the senator that brings up theological reasoning but clearly does not have a solid foundation or understanding of it?

For one, if he wants to bring up our Catholic faith into this, then he must consider the fact that holy union of man and woman does not entail sexual intercourse alone. Or as he would presume, reproduction between a couple. If he wants to be theological about it, then he needs to understand that that union of man and woman that scripture talks about is not just a physical union, but a spiritual and symbolic one. Therefore, the holy union pertains as well to all forms of "connections" between the partners. So other than copulation itself, foreplay, which could include masturbation and other forms of pleasure-invoking acts, is also an essential symbol of one's desire to fulfill the needs of the other--of a true union, in the sense of the word. And whether this fulfills a sexual need or not, the point is that one seeks to make the other happy; to complete the missing piece--to fill the void that the other possesses.

Now, the problem therein, however, is whether this form of foreplay (masturbation) is performed as a means to replace the act of sexual intercourse, itself. If the act of masturbation is sought simply to simulate the pleasures without actually intending to consummate the lovers' union, then it is altogether "immoral". However, when performed as a means to enhance one's symbolic and spiritual union, then there is nothing wrong.

So, in light of the aforementioned, the issue in question that needs further clarification or specification is: in what context is masturbation immoral (considered abortion)? This may seem petty, but according to the accounts above, Senator Enrile dodged Senator Cayetano's inquiry of clarification.

Senator Enrile, it is not a simple case of whether there is life or not in both the sperm and the ovum. You do not only need a "doctor", who you consulted, to be able to make an informed decision of whether the act is one that constitutes a "moral disorder" or is one that equates to bestiality or sodomy. There is a lot required of a man to be able to make moral judgments, not one of the least you possess. Have you consulted a theologian? An ACADEMIC theologian?

Furthermore, your stand must be made clear: is the act immoral because according to your "expert/informed (c/o your consulted doctor) opinion" masturbation results in the death of sperm/ovary? Is the logic behind your statements THAT simple? Please. Enlighten us. Because you need a hell of a lot more than that to make a statement that comes close to the audacity you just displayed in making a statement like this.

P.S. That's why you are senators, people tasked to safeguard the integrity of our Constitution and make laws and amendments to our Constitution based on informed decisions from the germane experts and authorities. To be goddamned informed. We didn't elect you (well, I didn't. "Gusto mo happy kami?" Fuck off man.) to go around spitting out nonsense that you conjured up in your little ol' heads. The Senate Hall is not a forum for casual conversations that pretend to be otherwise.

Peace out.

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evoz ya
10/04/2011 02:38

lolo juan, ang mukha nalang ba nagagalit? o ang balahibo nalang ba ang tumatayo?

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notnot
10/04/2011 02:50

Totoo ba ito?

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Curtis
10/04/2011 02:58

@ BroadMinded

Just a thought.

I do agree with what you said about masturbation and how it is "okay" within the "bonds of marriage" but not completely.

See, the bond of holy matrimony is simply a construct that if you can believe, was made "because man is weak" (quoted from a Marriage and Sexuality Theology book, just so there are no sentiments of presumptions). They (the Church) say that in marriage we are symbolically (but in truth, legally) bound to our partner. Therefore, and this is me now, whatever form of masturbation we engage in, the prospect of being exclusively tied to one's partner discourages or "diminishes" the tendency to couple ourselves with another partner. For some, they know that the act of marriage is the cherry on top that symbolizes their holy commitment to another. But in reality, marriage functions as a deterrent to adultery, and man needs it because in the state of nature, man IS indeed weak.

So going back, I guess we can say, with MUCH qualification needed (haha), that the act of masturbation, probably should ideally be "okay" in the context of any union. Not necessarily one that is validated by the Church. Because a union not having the need to be bound by the Church, is in the end, an extremely solid one. Where, despite the absence of a binding authority (the Church and the government) a man and woman's commitment to one another is all that they simply need.

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p
10/04/2011 03:19

KALOKOHAN to a

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10/04/2011 03:26

@ broad minded
agree with yours*winks* as well as i am saying that i am guilty!

however,,masturbation will never and ever be connected to the topic of rh bill and obviously,,killing of sperms too.. (that was said to be abortion?)

GUYZ! we roughly missed the point that there should be no connection between this topic to rh!
we just discussed what was the masturbation and others....

hope that all of you will be more participative in the future and for coming issues that would probably lay upon our faces!

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taxpayer__
10/04/2011 03:30

this is what we get in paying our huge amount of taxes..... is this still also being considered? nakakahiya na ang pilipinas talaga...

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gemma
10/04/2011 03:39

sayang ang pera ng bayan mahal kong senador.

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Jun Sabayton
10/04/2011 03:57

Punyeta! Paano tayo mananalo sa cannes niyan?

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Jay28
10/04/2011 04:25

What the hell is he saying. He's stupid. Imbes na magfocus sila sa mga bagay na mas mahalaga nagfofocus sila sa Anti-Planking, Anti-angry birds and now this? Kung ang tutukan kaya nila ay mga taong nangangailangan ng tulong pagkatapos ng mga bagyongdumaan. Mga walang kwenta pa na bagay ang kanilang pagtutuunan ng pansin.

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Enigma Scythe
10/04/2011 04:26

no really... senator, with all due respect, can't you keep this belief to yourself?... some people, like me, believe that masturbation is an outlet or could be taken as an exercise or as a way to control sexual urges that may lead to heavier sin if left unchecked.

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jestony
10/04/2011 04:26

hey!!! such as stupid masturbation is not an abortion..okay masturbation is Good to us.. like me.. i'am man using my hands. than to have body contact to my girlfriend.

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Jesse
10/04/2011 05:05

that is what his faith suggests, why do you people question other people's faith? sinabi na nya na belief nia lang un as a Roman Catholic. Kung kayo kaya sabihan na ang tatanga nio kasi kinakausap nio lang sarili nio sa simbahan? Watch ur words, talaga bang sa Diyos kayo nagdadasal? kasi kng ganyan ugali nio tingin ko kausap nio lang talaga sarili nio pag nasa simbahan kayo

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Curtis
10/04/2011 05:19

@Jesse

It is definitely okay for people to voice out their beliefs without others having to judge him. And we shouldn't be criticizing him for his personal faith. I agree with you on that. However, the main problem here is: as a Senator, he should be tackling things of worth to the Filipino people. We did not elect him to go discuss his personal beliefs and faith in our Senate Hall. If he wants to engage in idle banter, pumunta na lang siya sa kalye at makipag-usap sa mga tambay who would be glad to listen to matters of no consequence all day while sipping on a cold one. See? The thing here is, if as you say he is merely expressing what he believes according to his faith, then the RH Bill Hearing is not time and the Senate is by god, certainly not the place.

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sense
10/04/2011 05:22

what da! common sense lang aman oh.. paanong magi2ng abortion ang pag mamasturbate?! "that si what his faith suggest," tang ina mo't kalahati! tokshit.. promise

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10/04/2011 05:30

Isa sa pinaka-baluktot na pag-iisip na narinig ko! Di na lang pababain ang singil sa kuryente at load.

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dejaay
10/04/2011 05:47

mga gago talaga

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wenks
10/04/2011 06:01

Sperms undergo a natural process wherein they whenever they are not fertilized. So, how shall we call that?

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Life Perplexed
10/04/2011 06:03

Abortion, is defined as the termination of the product of conceptus before the age of viability, which is about 20 weeks age of gestation or 5 months. Definitely, masturbation is not synonymous to abortion.

To a "more superficial" sense, when it comes to the sperm cell's "life", even when the man avoids fondling 'lil ole, where do you expect the spermatozoa goes? Does it cease to exist? Upon maturation (which is about 2 months or 62-64 days), if not expelled through any deliberate act that results to ejaculation, the spermatozoa is then absorbed into the interstitial cavity, then into the blood stream, then later destroyed by the blood components, then later released as waste products through the urine.

If "they" view "life" as something that grows and that is mobile. Then, thank you for recognizing Cancer cells as living entities, because they move and grow as well, and that they need to be protected. On this premise, it suggest therefore that chemotherapy, ablative surgery and radiation therapy are evil, thus needs avoiding. These treatments not only destroy the cancer cells, but also those that are indigenous to our body, SPERM CELL AND EGG CELL included. Hence, to treat cancer is evil, thank you.

If there is one thing that I have learned from the Theology classes I had, it is that life is composed of a Corporeal Component and of a soul. To call something "living" that barely even resembles a protozoa is fallacious. How could they define life as superficial and shallow?

I'm not saying that his Honorable's premise is wrong, erred or lacking substance. Clearly, the RH Bill has stirred a lot of controversy among our leaders. The RH bill aims to protect the most vulnerable population group of our country, no more no less.

I'm a man of faith, and I believe in preserving life. Healthy birth spacing, responsible parenthood and parenting, freedom from coercion in choosing a reproductive/contraceptive strategy, and decreasing unwanted pregnancy are all pro-life.

The RH Bill is PRO-LIFE, I am PRO-LIFE, we all are. The Sovereign State and Religion are two SEPARATE entities free from coercion, "they" should know that.

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Alxx
10/04/2011 06:10

I ROFLMAOed on this debate. May hidden talent pala si Senator Enrile sa mga dirty jokes.

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someone
10/04/2011 06:14

...and with this ladies and gentlemen, let us pay our "respects" to EACH and EVERY teenee tiny little sperm cell that did not make it to the egg cell by providing ITSY BITSY cute little coffins for every single one of them...

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M.
10/04/2011 06:19

Senator Idiot

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ambrosia
10/04/2011 06:22

sa mga taong pro RH bill ito lang masasabi ko pills kasama dito diba , check nyo mga pills may tablets dun na nasa last part na hindi iniinom alam nyyo b kung para saan un? un tablets sa last part na un ang iinumin nyo pag di kau makahanap ng cytotec ... why not use rhythm method? tingin nyo un mga squatters they will use condom or take pills religiously ofcourse not... tatamad ng mga yan!!! sayang lang pera ng gobyerno para sa mga pills at condoms na yan

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BraveHeart
10/04/2011 06:46

SCENARIO:

A man and his wife are making love. He suddenly felt the urge to "come".. The wife dials the police and have her husband arrested... on what grounds? he spilled his sperm outside her V...

She filed a lawsuit and have him pay for a fine and do community service... worst, he will be spending years in jail because of this equation:
masturbation or withdrawal = abortion = murder (according to Sen. Enrile)


CONCLUSION: LMAO... the society has gone insane!

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BraveHeart
10/04/2011 06:52

Let me rephrase the equation:

IF masturbation or withdrawal = abortion
(according to Sen. Enrile)

AND abortion = murder (we all know that, and it is bad, morally and spiritually speaking)

THEN masturbation = murder

WOW... so every masturbater is a murderer..

It's ok to believe in something, but DO NOT IMPOSE IT AS A LAW FOR EVERYONE TO FOLLOW... yun lang.. keep your beliefs to yourself...

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Mats
10/04/2011 07:00

If we keep on saying na "KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT IF YOU HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO SAY.".. Lalong walang mangyayari sa atin. Mas mabuti na yung ganito tayo may pinag-uusapan, may nakikialam sa issue. Dito mo malalaman kung sino ba talaga ang mga 'concerned citizens'.

As for Senator Enrile's opinion, it is by far the most stupid argument I have ever heard. Walang taong nabubuo ng sperm lang. Wala ding taong nabubuo with a woman's egg alone. Ang pinoprotektahan ng RH Bill eh yung pagkakaroon ng unwanted PREGNANCY (meaning once nag-meet na yung egg cell and sperm cell) which gives a lot of possibilities na wala tayong control. For all we know, the unwanted pregnancy could result to abortion. Pwede din na lumaki ang bata w/ irresponsible parents, pwede din naman na mapabuti. But here, RH BILL gives us a choice to eliminate those uncontrollable possibilities that could happen when someone undergoes UNWANTED PREGNANCY.

THE BILL IS NOT PRO-ABORTION. IT DOES NOT LEGALIZE IT. MAYBE HE MUST READ THE BILL AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND SET ASIDE HIS PREJUDICE SO THAT HE CAN UNDERSTAND IT BETTER.

Our minds are like parachutes, they work best when OPEN.

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Life Perplexed
10/04/2011 07:02

@ambrocia

The OCP (Oral Contraceptive pills) are commercially prepared in a pack, you're correct. However, may it be an estrogen based pill or a progesterone based pill, the "last few tablet/s" you are referring to are considered "Placebo Tablets". Placebo tablets, in the sense that they only contain Iron, Vitamin C and Calcium. Because the last phase of your menstrual cycle do not need hormones to regulate it. More so, OCPs are taken based on your cycle, and an OB-GYN is more than willing to help you with that. In case you're about to rebut my "OB-GYN" premise, and that your "SQUATTER" may have no access to them, I beg to disagree. OB-GYN are accessible through the RHUs and BHSs, rural health units and baranggay health units respectively.

When it comes to non-compliance to the regimen, may it be the reproductive or contraceptive component, that is what EDUCATION is for, which is the PRIMARY ADVOCACY of the bill.

Cytotec (Metroplol HCl) is classified as a GASTRIC STIMULANT. Uterine contractions leading to spontaneous abortion is a mere side effect if taken correctly. YES, there is a correct way of taking CYTOTEC to induce abortion, not just by mere ingesting the drug will lead to abortion, however, taking the drug off-label (meaning, beyond its intended use) has its detrimental effects to the products of conceptus. This, to be less profound, is not included in the RH-BILL.

The RH-BILL do not insinuate taking off-label drugs. Its PRIMARY OBJECTIVE is to educate everyone in their reproductive age, and those that are on their pre-reproductive age, about things pertaining to growth and development, reproductive health included.

Reproductive Health - as to disillusion the common mistake, does not refer to SEX, and SEX ALONE. REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH refers to promoting reproductive health that is morally acceptable and later leads to a satisfying life.

More so, the RH-Bill aims to strengthen the capacity of the Government to make the different contraceptive techniques available to EVERYONE. This includes male and female condoms, IUDs, Cervical caps .. etc.

I respect whether you're pro-RH or not, but before jumping-in into discussions pertaining to the RH-Bill, know your basics and do your research.

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Sacred Nor Azeucas
10/04/2011 07:13

Philippines where do we go from here!.. A senseless topic being discussed here indeed! People should understand human needs and why not be open minded and respect rule that promotes peace of mind! People must know how to respect especially freedom! Our Hon. Senator thinks like a blithering idiot or maybe have admitted of having frustrated sperm being an old crap! He’s been thinking MASTURBATION AS AN ABORTION at present time, what about the past, he should tell the People that he did a lot of masturbations and withdrawals during his adolescent period; he therefore committed genocidal tendencies... I laugh loud on cannibalism part too, a brilliant analogy! I want to tell the people that releasing sperms for me is healthy! And having sex without creating offspring avoids over populations but we aren’t over populated yet so “Make love not War” and rather than these senseless approach. Fuck the law and likewise the propositional RH Bill...Please think something better to progress and on how to bring our beloved country Philippines more into sophistications and innovations supported by our own government... But first and foremost we need a Bill to help Minority People, give them proper and free education, give employment to those unemployed, too many are graduates who are now professionals and truly intellectual but have decided to work outside the country because of those impotent political visions of our stupid government that just continue in making the country like damned nation. Why not aim something to bring Philippines becomes more industrialized nation and as a trader with other counter parts, and with that means there will be more employment to exists and likewise infrastructures to build and First World standards will be on our hand to enjoy a new ideal life of living with completeness... Yes! Capitalism will come to exists, which is normal to be sophisticated but please no corruptions, oppression, violations, exploitation and repressions that may affect the common society. Now! who wants to Masturbate or Blow me? Haha!… No way just kidding, I can do it on my own right now, right here! Goodbye!...

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Matthew
10/04/2011 08:19

then a wetdream must be homicide!!

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Anon0000
10/04/2011 08:19

I was just about to jack off, then I came across this. NOW IM GONNA JACK OFF EVEN HARDER THAN INTENDED

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sacred nor azuecas
10/04/2011 08:32

Masturbation is Abortion... Murder! Therfore huwag nyong kalimutang ilibing ang tissue sa lupa!...

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Pak
10/04/2011 08:37

Planking, Angry birds, now masturbation!? I wonder what's next..

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cyberman471
10/04/2011 08:52

bakit di na lng pagtuunan ng pansin ang unemployment rate dyan sa atin. He's such a dick!!

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BenM
10/04/2011 09:22

PORKET MATANDA KANA! ANG BOBO MO NAMAN Juan Ponce Enrile! WLA KABANG UTAK?? didn't you even think about that proclamation before suggesting it to the senate staff? i mean, did u lack knowledge in your biology class? or were u rather asleep in you sex education subject?? we'll let me remind you what your old mind can't remember! millions of sperms are released in one sexual intercourse, BUT! only sperm can make it! so, either your suggesting a stupid statement, or your just plain stupid! now unless u have the capability to speed up evolution! so that the female egg can take all the millions of sperm cell! then people might even stop to think about your suggestion! but what your suggesting is quiet impossible, and if you didn't notice, nobody in the entire world can possibly do that! so drop dead!

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Jake
10/04/2011 09:36

Senator, i go abort on tissue now

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jake
10/04/2011 09:36

Very evil tissue!.. Very evil indeed

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AJ
10/04/2011 10:02

a woman ovulates every 28 days right? (correct me if im wrong)..if the egg cannot be fertilized, it goes down with the menstruation? is it also abortion? come on! mas may tanga pa ba ditu sa pinas? im proud to be a filipino because we have so many geniuses, but there are more stupid pinoys than geniuses..

as a roman catholic mr senator, all of us have souls..abortion kills the body of a soul you mean?..meaning the sperm and egg have half souls each, so if they unite, it will form one complete soul, that is to your understanding?..but only 1 sperm is allowed to fertilized an egg, so ...what happens to the other remaining million half souls then, knowing a man can ejaculate normally 60-120 million of sperms/mL..
please do not join or make comments with the medical world if you don't have any knowledge or just plain understanding in it..

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10/04/2011 10:03

wat the hell is this?

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ryan
10/04/2011 10:41

ladies and gentlemen...the senate president of the philippines. WTF!

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fatma
10/04/2011 11:05

you rigth janz ! Laht naman po tyo may kanya kayang opinyon
sana nga lang po ilagay sa tama ang bawat salitang bibitawan
because at the end ,ikaw pala ang mapupuruhan sa mga salitang
nilikha mo ! Kagaya nyan Mr.Senator ,napakarami ang comments
regarding one word that you said ! Mano po kayang pabayaan
na lng nating mag decide ang bawat mag asawa regarding that
issue ? I dont agree to MR,Senator !

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fatma
10/04/2011 11:19

Mr.Senator ,sir what if kng sa mas importanting bagay ninyo
na lang po ituon ang pansin nyo kaysa naman sa mga ganyang
bagay ! Bakit d na lang kayong mga nasa government magtulungan !
Mas maganda naman po siguro kung ang asikasuhin ninyo ang
pagpapaunlad ng ating bansa ,napag iiwanan na tayo ng kahirapan
sa mga karatig bansa natin na nuon ay dating hirap kaysa sa atin
unahin nyo na lang po ang pagkakaroon ng trabaho ng bawat
mamamayang pilipino ,para yong mga nasa ibang bansa ay di na
naisin pang lumayo sa pamilya at sa sariling bayan para makitrabaho
o manilbihan sa kung kaninong ponsiyo pilato ! Lalo
na yong ating mga DH na madalas ay naabuso ang mga karapatn !
Huwag mga bagay na ,MASTURBATION,ABORTION !,everybody
knows that
and i think they smarter than the others ,you what filipino is .

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anonymity
10/04/2011 11:51

excuse me. from a medical standpoint let me clear a few things.
first what enrile said was not all true. Yes the sperm and ova are alive. That's why they are called sperm CELLS and egg CELLS. Cells are the functional unit in a living organism and they are alive obviously. What was wrong about his statement is that his contention was they are alive because of mobility, they are able to move. Yes, mobility is a characteristic of biological life however there are organisms not able to actually move (e.g. plants) but they are alive. So that statement is obviously wrong. Another, MASTURBATION is different from EJACULATION. Masturbation is personal, done by yourself. Ejaculation is the medical term for releasing contents from seminal vesicle comprising of semen and sperm. When you have wet dreams (nocturnal emission) this is not masturbation since your asleep. How can you masturbate while asleep. This is not mastubation but it is ejaculation and it is NORMAL. Another, masturbation is not ABORTION. Abortion causes death of a zygote/embryo/fetus/baby while inside the womb. It can be spontaneous (miscarriage) or not. So releasing sperm does kill the sperm cells after they lose nutrition from the seminal fluid and stuff but does not make you commit abortion. That's stupid.
I dont want to meddle with religion while discussing medicine. They just dont mix but let me just say that the sperm cells do not have souls per se. WE HAVE a SOUL not the sperms. Before deciding on which side you're on, please KNOW THE FACTS first. Unless you want to commit ABORTION habang nagjajakol then be my guest.

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stupid
10/04/2011 14:29

Well, there is not much to squabble with this issue. Some comments are too concerned about the definition of scientific terms. Regardless how one sees it, I believe masturbation is still something that is anti-life. Simply because it does not give a chance to bring life. Definition wise, the two are so different but both are anti-life.

To Mr. Enrile, would that mean that drinking too much alcohol is "abortion" as well? This act lowers the sperm count.



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J
10/04/2011 15:47

kailangan pa ng masusing deBATE sa isyu na ito...

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Prof
10/04/2011 15:48

If that's the case then women should stop themselves from having monthly period too.

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Noel
10/04/2011 16:50

This is F****n' s2pid! how are u going to catch people who are committing masturbation..???!! huh??!!

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Walang Magawa!?
10/04/2011 16:56

Sa sobrang dami ng problema ng pilipinas!? Pati b nmn pagjajakol ehh poproblemahin nyo pa!!!? ung mga binayo ng Bagyo at ung mga Corrupt na tao intindihin nyo!! pra kaung mga UNGAS!

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boy
10/04/2011 18:08

Senator, pag isipan mo nga mga pinagsasabi mo bago mo sabihin. You consider yourself a man with intellect yet parang arguement naman ng bata mga pinagsasabi mo. or is it that you're just saying things to attract attention and gain publicity for next election?
Mag isip isip k muna, pinapababa mo lang tingin ng tao sa yo!!!

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Walter Bishop
10/04/2011 18:44

2 points...

1. among thousand of sperms na nilalabas ng lalake at babae during intercourse, isang sperm lang sa lalake at babae ang nabubuo o nabubuhay... so abortionist din sila kung ganun.

2. if masturbation is abortion, then majority, if not all, of catholic priests are abortionist... dahil ito ang way nila para maiwasan nilang malabag ang sinumpaan nilang vow...celibacy.

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Aeon
10/04/2011 19:35

i just hope that our good senator did his research even before stating this statement and not just for the sake of having an argument against Sen. Pia.

i just wish that our leaders would prioritize on what is needed by the people.

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BroadMinded
10/04/2011 19:42

@ Curtis

See, my standpoint here is as a Christian. We're entitled to our own opinions. I respect your opinion though I do not agree with it. God bless you. :D

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Don
10/04/2011 19:46

OH MY GOODNESS!!!!! what kind of reason is that??.. Masturbating is a form of abortion??. LOL!!! tsk3... PLEASE ASK SENATOR ENRILE IF HE NEVER TRIED MASTURBATING EVER SINCE HE LIVED????? if he said "yes" then what a hypocrite! he would've had lots of kids now. hahahaha ;D

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drew
10/04/2011 19:55

UNAHIN NYO YUNG MGA NABIKTIMA NG BAGYO KESA SA MGA KATANGAHANG ITO!

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noypi
10/04/2011 20:10

mr. senator very nice idea.....PERO....Wag naman po sana ninyo ipagkait ang kaligayan ng mga sangka ADANAN....

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J
10/04/2011 20:14

Good Old Senator:

I thought you would have a problem with passing this bill, I didn't think you'd be a problem on a basic human level!
But hey! For what its worth I don't hate you, you're just too pathetic!

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Aldrin
10/04/2011 20:39

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mystery
10/04/2011 20:44

HAYhayyys.. fuck naman oh.. we vote senators to govern us in a good way... pati ba naman kasiyahan ng mga kalalakihan aalisin I... mean is a kind of illegal?abortion? bakit kaya di niyo na lang unahan yung mga bagay na makakatulong sa mga nangangailangan. like education and health.wag niyo naman isama ang walng katuturan na bagay; ni masturbation pinapakialaman niyo...its a big nonsense ..sana di na lang kami bumoto..... wala talgang kwenta, wala kayong kwenta.....nakakabadtrip kayo,..,,

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kawawa naman ang pilipinas
10/04/2011 20:45

MASTURBATION IS NOT A CRIME!

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JJ Lim
10/04/2011 21:46

kung may mas gago pa ni sang sa iya, pa kilala pls sa akon

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Juan Ponce Enrile
10/04/2011 21:51

The only reason that I am saying masturbation is equivalent to abortion is because I can't do it anymore.

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priceless
10/04/2011 21:51

priceless... truly priceless...

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Eedra Scythe
10/04/2011 21:55

@Curtis

Well said :D

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Jack
10/05/2011 00:06

This coming from a guy who was part of Marcos' regime. What hypocrisy.

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Huh?
10/05/2011 02:15

Gago ka ba?

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Our gov't sucks
10/05/2011 02:26

Senile old bastard. What a stupid waste of time. Di na dapat pinagdedebate yang hayop na yan. Matagal na atang di nilalabasan, kaya gusto niya makiramay tayong lahat.

Tangina, ipasa nalang sana yung Bill. Alam naman ng karamihan (malamang kahit ung mga anti-RH) na makabubuti yan kapag naging batas na. Stop narrow-mindedness and dogmatic ignorance. RH Bill now.

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Jack Quolero
10/05/2011 02:29

Wala namang ganyanan senator!

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marx
10/05/2011 04:11

hahha! bopols tlaga yan c enrile! no wonder pobre parin pinas. dami kasing pinoy no bomoboto sa mga bopols na politiko.

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taga davao
10/05/2011 04:25

" Gusto ko happy ka." Thank you Sen. Enrile for making me happy today. Hilarious! What wit!

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Jake Cuenca
10/05/2011 04:29

this is stupidity!!

You're very insane ENRILE you don't deserve to be in your current position

I won't concur with your damn explanation..
I'm an artist yet I can say hurting words to because of the wrong speech you're sharing!
INSANE

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Concern Citizen
10/05/2011 04:44

RH BILL is not bad its need to be taught clearly to individual's mind. In the New World and New Heaven it needs only 3 Children required by God so there are RH BILL implemented

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ANONYMOUS
10/05/2011 05:12

this insane. You're not a fuckin doctor.
if someone is really horny. what shall he/she do? fuck the wall and don't withdraw it?
maybe your mom saw you masturbating when you're a kid. that's why you hates masturbation.
or maybe you wanna be a notorious enrile! woo fuck your self.

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Paulo
10/05/2011 05:27

Galit na galit ang mga perverts at malilibog na tao dito. :) You can throw all your ad hominem arguments to him. He may have had done something in his youth but now has regretted doing such. The senator is a very good statesman who previously served in the army. You truly are a man senator. I salute you! I wish I have your wisdom on this matter.

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Jack Cole
10/05/2011 06:01

wow, nag bigay ng moral and theological lesson ang isa sa mga imoral na politiko sa kasaysayan ng Pinas. enrile: bakit mo inapid ang chief of staff mong si gigi reyes na me asawa at tapos inexile mo ang lalaki sa cagayan export processing zone. at inexile mo rin si cristina ponce enrile sa vatican bilang ambassador kung saan naman lumala ang depression nito at bumalik agad sa pinas. at ngayon nakuha mong maging santo santito tulad nina tito sotto at lito lapid na pawang maraming mabigat nakasalanan sa bayan at higit pa sa kababaihan.

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shellsea
10/05/2011 06:31

the bible said that be aware of wrong teachings.

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luna
10/05/2011 06:50

eh di ang menstruation ay abortion dn? errr.

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steve
10/05/2011 09:58

ayan na nga ba ang sinasabi ko eh.. matanda ka na Enrile. mag retire ka na... nilulumot na ang utak mo!

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AlexB
10/05/2011 10:38

Are sperm cells alive? Yes. Are they human? No. Human life starts in conception, when a sperm fertilizes an egg. What is abortion? It is the killing of an unborn human. Are sperm cells human? NO. So therefore, abortion does not happen in masturbation.

If we follow this senator's line of thinking, that means all women are abortionists too. Because an ovum or egg has life, so when a woman menstruates, the unfertilized egg is flushed out, and no human life is conceived.

I hope he's on his last term.

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Sil
10/05/2011 11:43

I can't help but think that Bacterias and the like are alive then! So we must not use or do anything to kill them? Is that it senator?

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nic
10/05/2011 17:22

sen. enrile

ilang beses naba kayo ng-sex ng asawa nyo? lagi ba putok un, kung hindi edi ngkasala din kayo.. hayz.. dumadami na dead brain cells jan sa utak mo sir..

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mik
10/05/2011 22:28

pano nangyaring abortion ang masturbation? pag isipan mo kayang mabuti senator?

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egg cell lagman
10/05/2011 23:25

ang masturbation sa tagalog, "arimundingmunding" kasi minumundingmunding ang ari. ang abortion, "nagpalaglag" o "nilaglag." Magkaiba yun.

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nurse pika
10/06/2011 00:30

duh!.. Mr. Senator, while I'm reading your statement, i find it stupid.. Do u think by mentioning "church" or "bible" or "faith" will cover up your stupidity.. Logically speaking, each cell that comes out of our body has a life, but it does not follow that what you were referring as abortion, if a human being do masturbation. As I quote the definition of Zygote (1st stage of human life)"Zygote: The cell formed by the union of a male sex cell (a sperm) and a female sex cell (an ovum)."
So for as long as no union between the egg cell and sperm cell, no human life will be killed...

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Anonymous
10/06/2011 03:00

I think masturbation is not a form of abortion. It is because based on my research, abortion is a termination of pregnancy at any stage that does not result in birth by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo before fetal viability while masturbation refers to sexual stimulation of a person's own genitals, usually to the point of orgasm. Fetus which has already life but after masturbation, there is no life on it or will be formed. How come this is a form of abortion. And all men are doing this, even him as he already arrived on his old age, it is impossible that he is not doing masturbation for his whole life.

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ike24
10/06/2011 06:40

magpa baog muna tayo bago mag masturbate para hindi maging abortion.^^

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EnREALLY?!
10/06/2011 07:34

Sana ung tatay mu senator nag masturbate na lang.. mas mabuti yata na na'abort' na lang kayo..haha

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lawstud
10/06/2011 08:29

The 1987 Constitution of the Philippines (THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND) declares:
The separation of Church and State shall be inviolable. (Article II, Section 6)

Keep your beliefs to yourself.

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deniro
10/06/2011 10:31

I respect his opinion, but, not all Filipinos share the same belief he had (as in masturbating is abortion).

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rakyv
10/06/2011 20:50

BALONEY!!

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amp
10/07/2011 00:52

first of all tama si law stud... isa pang nkalagay sa constitution.. a person is free to enjoy natural, constitutional and statutory rights... Natural rights are those rights that was given to as naturally and cannot be waived by anyone but it can be limited..... I say yes to masturbation.... pansariling kaligayahan lng nman yun ng mga lalaki... mas mabuti na yon kesa mang rape... tska sabihin na natin na naipasa to.. pano nman nila huhuliohin ung mga taong nagjajakol? d b/ pano ung mga nagwetwetdreams? d nman nila mapipigilan yon d ba? unahin muna nilang ipasa ang mga batas na makakatulong sa pag angat ng ekonomiya ng bansa.

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Master Bater
10/07/2011 02:47

This is crap. Enrile is being either pathetic or dumb. As a man, or a real man, it's part of our fixations. Masturbation does not prevent anything from bearing fruit. Therefore, nothing is being aborted.
He's just being an idiot. No one can stop real men from masturbating. This is one way of releasing tension and sexual fixation. This is also to prevent having prostate cancer.

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ar
10/07/2011 05:16

what a stupid ... damn this...

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Divo
10/07/2011 06:55

so if someone caught masturbating, he should be imprisoned?

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Master Baet
10/07/2011 07:19

okay this is really stupid. if you want to have prostate cancer dont masturbate and if dont want, masturbate. taht senator is gay i will give a million peso if he didnt masturbate even once in his lifetime -.-

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Joey
10/07/2011 12:39

sen.. nung highschool ka ba never kang nagmasturbate??

Kung yan ang pananaw mo.. Anong sasabihin mo sa mga highschool students whose at the experimenting stage?? Na masama iyon dahil nagsasayng sila ng buhay??

So dapat.. magyaya sila ng ka edad nila at mag procreate na :)

Goodluck sa population na Pilipinas!

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10/08/2011 07:26

so menstruation is abortion? because female release egg cells when they have their monthly period. stupid senators.

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HOLY CRAP Senator
10/08/2011 07:34

dude, a flea is alive - with millions of cells - and i don't see anyone stopping pesticide spray. A friggin cell is the basic form of life, so it is 'alive'! if ur gonna strictly follow the Bible with all that keep all life safe even if its a cell stand, i suggest you cease action altogether, because cells die on your body per second, and i dont see you crying about it.

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warlordianx
10/08/2011 10:08

Baog ka na kasi SEN. ENRILE ! manahimik ka na lang !

wrong beliefs ka !!

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10/08/2011 12:36

Ibalik ang death penalty! sama natin mga sperms ng mga senador na bobobobo

bwahahahaha

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Insomniac
10/08/2011 14:43

Stupid old man. Kelangan ata ng refresher course sa biology ni Sen. Enrile. Masturbation is human nature. Pati ba ang pagjebs at pag ihi kasalanan na rin kasi may mga "living cells" ka na inilalabas?

At kung sakaling maaprubahan yan (which is way too ridiculous for Christ's sake!)

PAANO KAYO MANGHUHULI NG MGA LALABAG DYAN? Ano mangrraid kayo sa bawat kasulok sulukan ng bawat bahay, kubeta, kwarto, mrt, lrt, jeep, mall, kweba, kanal, puno (ibaba at ilalim), riles, ilalim ng dagat, sa himpapawid... in short EVERYWHERE??? at kung may nahuli nga kayo, o tapos? papakulong nyo yung tao? e pano kung gawin nya sa loob ng kulungan? lipat sa MAXIMUM SECURITY kasama ng mga rapist, serial killers, hired assasins, terrorists?

A ridiculous comment for a ridiculous statement. Kaya di umaasenso Pilipinas pati masturbation pinoproblema pa.

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10/08/2011 20:15

Ironic, daming pinapatay niyan nung kanang kamay pa ni Marcos yan.

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La lang
10/10/2011 21:55

If MASTURBATION is ABORTION, then SWALLOWING is CANNIBALISM?

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La lang
10/10/2011 22:09

Sabi pa ni Senator enrile may kasunod pa daw yan.. farting is a crime..tapos pagpabilog ng kulangot crime rin daw talino talaga ni senator lahat ng walang kakwentang kwenta na bagay pinapansin..pero ang malaking problema ng pilipinas hindi maayos ayos..try mo na lang kaya hanapin ung mga pera na ninakaw sa kaban ng bayan sa pamumuno nG NAKARAAN...

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Hay naku!
10/11/2011 00:59

What is this Senator Enrile? Another way of publicity of yours? If you want some publicity, make sure it's for your own good not to make you look like stupid...

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cai
10/11/2011 06:56

i personally disagree with him but...hindi nmn kelangan sabihan ng masasamang bagay ang isang taong nageexpress ng opinion or faith...if thats what he believe in let him be...if u dont agree just say u dont agree...no need to troll...its a simple way of showing respect to other's belief :)

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idiot
01/16/2012 04:53

hoy ENRILE, gago kaba? palibhasa matanda kana hindi mo na kaya mag MB, bakit hindi nlng tutukan kong pano lago-in yung bansa natin kaysa kong ano2x pang inisip mo? daming problema sa bansa natin yan ang bigyan mo ng pansin...IDIOT!!!!

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judy
10/11/2011 21:51

Tama si senator. Hindi nyo lang naintindihang mabuti. Balang araw malalaman nyo din tama pala sya.

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10/12/2011 07:29

Senator Enrile, haven't you NOT masturbated in your whole life? Come on!

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punyeta
10/14/2011 04:35

pagpasensyahan nyo na po lahat ang mga yan. kasi matatanda na sila.ulyanin na,,ang tatagal na ang mga yan sa gobyerno.at dyan na sila tumanda. wala pa ring nagyayaring mabuti para sa bansa at mga mamamayan. sila pa rin ang naka pwesto...ang pilipino nga naman...

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punyeta
10/14/2011 04:49

sino ang may kasalanan...?Ang mga pilipino na bomoto ang may kasalanan. Kaya gumising na tayo,, kailan pa..kaya matatauhan ang pinoy..makakita lang kasi tayo ng pera bulag na tayo.

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sheman
10/15/2011 10:10

powder na kasi lumalabas kay enrile kaya di nya matanggap ang enjoyment ng iba .

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toink
10/17/2011 06:37

it indicates na kailangan na talagang palitan ang mga gurang sa senado, biruin nyo dyan na sila tumanda pero wala naman silang nagawa na nakatulong ng malaki sa pilipinas lalo na yang si Enrile panahon pa yan ni Marcos hanggang ngayon.

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Jivs
10/17/2011 18:33

Good thing i am an Atheist, some beliefs of the roman catholics is just plain stupid. How about population control ? get lots of people pregnant and boom it will affect the whole world. Its human nature to masturbate and its also good for your health. OLD BELIEFS DOES NOT OUTWEIGH CURRENT STUDIES :D :D

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candy
10/18/2011 01:51

grabe ka enrile..naririnig mo ba ang sinasabi mo?? santo ka ba?? yung ibang preachers dyan eh nagpaparaos dahil may urge sila eh... di lagot ka sa mga yun...

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OLOL enrile
10/19/2011 00:59

PUTANG INA KA SENADOR ! HIPOCRITO ! BWESIT DIN YANG MGA PARING IYAN ! NANGINGI-ALAM !

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10/20/2011 07:36

Interview with an illegal abortionist:

An estimated 500.000 illegal abortions take place in the Philippines each year. Yet the catholic church and Pro Life do not want major health reforms to go through.

Two film makers lecturers, one German and one Filipino, followed this story up and produced a documentary about this topic in the Philippines:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H11xXsjcDiI

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Green Sailboat
10/22/2011 21:01

What a dumbass!

If masturbation is a form of abortion then so is menstruation! Is he saying that menstruation should be banned too??

Why are people voting for people like this?

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Future Nurse Na sa dec.2011
10/24/2011 05:14

Isa lang masasabi ko, Sen. En. mag aral ka ng Nursing para maintindihan mo ng may kalinawan ang reproduction bago ka mag salita ng ganyan... Yun lamang... Natawa ako sa iminungkahi mo... Hahaha! Hindi ko nais na mag malaki pero parang hindi ata nawawasto na sabihing abortion ang masturbation... It's normal lalo na pag nalinawan ka sa stages of development ni Sigmund Freud na Psychosexual (Psychoanalytical) Development na napagaralan ko sa Psychiatric Mental Health Nursing... :) na share ko lang... :) idagdag mo narin ang Maternal And Child Health Nursing...! Mag Nursing ka na Lo!

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Future Nurse
10/24/2011 05:25

Menstruation is excretion of unfertilized eggs... Therefore, the eggs are already dead na... Sperm can live as long as 3 days (72 hrs.) outside the man's body( ung naejaculate na) and can live up to 3 months when inside the man's body (ung hindi pa iniejaculate ha)... Eggs has a life span of only 24 hrs. lang... Mas mahaba ang buhay ng sperm cells than egg cells...wala lang... Info lang lang po.. Mga nice to know para sa mga ibang tao...:) nurses and other medical professionals alam naman na nila yan... Paki correct nalang ako kung mag mali sa info na binigay ko.. Maski out of the world sa topic na 'to haha...

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Response to future nurse
10/26/2011 04:07

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10/26/2011 11:02

Mas masarap nga naman iputok sa loob kesa hugutin pa... Pwede rin namang i cumshot ipa inom sa puta...

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tang inang giliw
10/26/2011 14:57

aheeem...mawalang galang na poh....gusto ko lang sanang linawin ang pinagsasabi mo Sen.Enrile... siguro nman pinag-isipan mong mabuti yang pinagsasabi mo...oh siguro wala k lang talagang ibang magawa s buhay mo.. s kaunting panahon n lalagiin mo dito s mundo pati b naman s ganitong issue pumapatol k pa? di k b nahihiya? oh talaga lng n wala kang hiya?
-simulan n natin s sinabi mong "that is my belief".. sana di mo nalang pinagsigawan yung paniniwala mo kung gayung wala nmang silbi ung pinagsasabi mo dba? di kaya hindi k n nalilibugan kaya kung ano-ano nlng ang naiisip mo?... hmmmp
-pangalawa,kung hindi k ngbabasa ng bibliya oh hindi k lang talaga marunong magsearch s google, etong sau.. according to google "Many people think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.".. oh dba? siguro anak k ni malakas at ni maganda na kung saan ay lumabas sa nahating kawayan.. pwede...=)
-And lastly, "According to this elementary definition of life, life begins at fertilization, when a sperm unites with an oocyte. From this moment, the being is highly organized, has the ability to acquire materials and energy, has the ability to respond to his or her environment, has the ability to adapt, and has the ability to reproduce (the cells divide, then divide again, etc., and barring pathology and pending reproductive maturity has the potential to reproduce other members of the species). Non-living things do not do these things. Even before the mother is aware that she is pregnant, a distinct, unique life has begun his or her existence inside her."... siguro nman di n kailangan i.explain sau yan senator...
Ang sa akin lang, sana nman sa susunod bago k mgsalita sa ganitong issue dapat siguraduhin mong tama at alam mo yung pinagsasabi mo.. ano pa't binabayaran k ng sambayanang Pilipino kung walang kwenta at hindi pinag-iisipan ang pinagsasabi mo... Sana nman di k nlang kakikisawsaw s ganitong issue... mahirap kac yung nagsasalita k ng ganito tapos kahit anong gawing mo eh wala pa ring mangyayari... Masmabuti pang ipasa ang R.H bill... wag k lang mag.aalala kac siguradong di k maaapektohan nyan... you know na.. hahaha.. peace poh...

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tang inang giliw
10/26/2011 15:10

P.S.. Senator pasalamat k at hindi marunong ngmasturbate ang ama kundi patay kang bata k...hahahahaha... well3...

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Im a canibal then
10/26/2011 16:38

Whaaaaat!!! Lintek Canibal pala tawag na sakin!

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I'll save them
10/26/2011 16:39

Well nabasa nyo na girls, pra di kayo mgkasala at hayaang maging monthly period sila. I'm at your service. Lets save them!!! Call me :P

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Not a Catholic...
10/31/2011 05:15

Wouldn't Senator Enrile's objections also apply to the rhythm method - the one contraceptive method that is approved by the Catholic Church?

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Nowonmai
01/14/2012 20:52

The reason the Catholic Church approves of it is because it fails to prevent pregnancy most of the time.

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11/01/2011 11:55

i would not consider masturbation as a form of abortion. more like mass murders.

that means that if the guys were to masturbate using sex toys like the <A HREF="http://www.tengatango.com">Tenga</A> from tengatango.com that would be a serious sin!

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12/30/2011 08:02

THX for info

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Nowonmai
01/14/2012 20:53

To me, this reads like a man who can't get laid in a brothel while holding a fistful of $100 bills.

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-ayun oh-
01/14/2012 21:53

seriously, this is insane! It's not actually a Intellectually Stimulating Debate. Ilang beses kaya siyang magmasturbate nung bata-bata pa siya?

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peter Veitch
01/15/2012 01:08

Yet another reason to leave the catholic superstition , sigh

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frito lay
01/15/2012 03:16

This is why people get so upset when their little boys are violated by catholic priests???

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jjjnettie
01/15/2012 04:33

This expresses my feeling on this subject more eloquently than I can say it in words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Tc--BPM11s0#!

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Glea
01/15/2012 06:23

So, by this idiot's logic, every time a woman menstruates she has committed an abortion because she did not get pregnant.

Right. And 'believers' wonder why atheists ridicule their beliefs.

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Steph Roma
01/15/2012 06:42

It is exactly this kind of backwards thinking that leads uneducated people to believe what the church and the government tells them, in mantters they should not interfere in, it is simply mass mind control. If the filipinos practiced family planning and kept the church and goivernment out of their bedrooms, you would not have families of ten living in poverty so bad it is incomprehensible for the rest of the world.

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jmm1233
01/15/2012 08:28

http://youtu.be/U0kJHQpvgB8

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Sathepine
01/15/2012 11:05

Oh geez... the more these politicians open their mouths, the more they bring shame to the country! Mr. Enrile is just making a fool of himself by advertising his ignorance! I'm so glad I went to a secular high school and got proper sex education. Not the bunch of religious crap the church spews out to make people behave by suppression. In my opinion, if you have gone through puberty and you have never masturbated your entire life, you're probably not normal.

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Gildedcnt
01/15/2012 11:56

Masturbation aside, women should stop menstruating as well! My God we've slipped back into the dark ages.....

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GeminEye
01/15/2012 12:51

Gildedcnt: That's kind of the whole point of the old religion (and why Hassidim are all up in arms about a woman not sitting in the back of a bus last month in Israel) - man can not stop women from menstruating other than by impregnating them. If a woman isn't pregnant and is bleeding, she is unclean...and must be separated from the rest of society until she stops bleeding, says her prayers, and makes an offering.

So...wait for the companion bill to the one above: the bill that says women must remove themselves from society monthly unless pregnant, which then the are to remove themselves from society for months.

Six thousand years of recorded history and yet some of us still haven't evolved beyond pre-history.

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Anon
01/15/2012 14:24

I base my morals on whether or not my actions will negatively affect others. And as I'm pretty sure that my sperm are about as self aware as a brick, I don't consider them as 'others'. I would happily ejaculate into a pit of fire all the while knowing that I'm doing no harm to anyone.

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Jerry Lehnert
01/15/2012 14:35

With Catholic bumper stickers saying things like "Life begins at Conception" and "Abortion is Murder", I've always wanted to have some bumper stickers made up saying "Masterbation is MURDER!!!"

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Mayhem
01/15/2012 14:55

If masturbation is abortion, then a guys wet dream must be unconscious abortion, right? If so, then somebody got it wrong. lol

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baz-blackadder
01/15/2012 16:23

"But each one of them has life. There is no question about that because they have mobility: They move"

Movement = Sentience now? By his logic planes, trains & cars etc are intelligent lifeforms... I mean they move don't they?

This is just another tissue of lies from someone who knows nothing about science.

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Peter Gatliff
01/15/2012 17:07

Republican rhetoric about religon,abortion and sex doesn't put food on the tables of the American people. Where's the jobs GOP !!!

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Rosaleee
01/15/2012 17:34

This guy's theory is that sperm and ova are alive and are potential human beings. So every time a woman ovulates and doesn't become pregnant she has "killed" her ovum. And sperm die whether they are ejaculated or not! So, new rules, folks:

Women can't have sex (with men anyway!) unless they are ovulating, because otherwise that's an "abortion" of sperm. Men will need multiple female sex partners to ensure that every time a man has sex he has it with a woman who is ovulating. Oh, and once a woman reaches menopause or is otherwise confirmed to be infertile, her male partner must discard her because otherwise he is "aborting" his sperm.

The Catholic Church -- creating insanity about human sex for nearly two millennia!

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TruthBTold
01/15/2012 17:35

If this is true, I've been a mass murderer for many years. What a nut job (no pun intended)

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Terry
01/15/2012 17:40

Hilarious! This guy actually thinks humans are asexual and can procreate WITHOUT a partner! Too funny. And people actually LISTEN to this goof ball? ROFLMAO

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Jim Profit
01/15/2012 17:45

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/319/b/6/Shikamaru_and_Ino_Shippuuden_by_KumoGirl.png
This is just stupid... what makes abortion, abortion, is the elimination of a fetus. An already developing human being, just in it's earliest stages...

To say that the destruction of a fetus is not the destruction of a potential person, is to say murder of any kind is not the destruction of a potential person. Because anyone and everyone lives their entire lives as an extension to their potential. The fact is, killing a zygote would be the same as a toddler, or the same as a full grown man out of a job. None are doing anything CURRENTLY, so they must not be anything EVER, correct?

But to whank one and release some sperm cells? Not an abortion. Because the sperm themselves are not humans, nor can ever be. Your only argument is the sperm isn't being used to impregnate a woman. Well no shit... so we're to be reproducing infants constantly? Or do they just hope that men will be so sexually frustrated from not being able to rub one out, that they will try to impregnate a woman as soon as they get the chance? Let's face it... I'm all for increasing the productivity of human labor and resources. I'm opposed to abortion and homosexuality partially for that reason. But I'm also a realist.

Abortion is wrong from a standpoint that people can't even be trusted to wipe their own fucking ass, but they're to be left in charge of a child's very existence? Ridiculous... at least North Korea has the state deciding when and if a woman has an abortion. I'd rather nobody be aborted, but the state is definitely the better judge. That's the position of Pat Robertson. Apparently the Christian fundies haven't been paying much attention...

Upon reading the article, it does seem like the senator is saying that masturbation is just the needless killing of sperm. Not that their babies in spirit, just sperm as an animal, with a specified purpose, and that we're needlessly killing that animal and deviating from that purpose.

Maybe so... but I'd rather let people masturbate, and support me on more pressing matters, then worry about something so irrelevant. Let them have Kleenex.

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Lowebrau
01/16/2012 16:21

I can't wait until your teenage lesbian daughter gets knocked up by some halfwit southern hick and then we'll see what your stance on abortion is.

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Tom
01/15/2012 21:23

The national hero of the Philippines Jose Rizal replied appropriately to this comment. No pope can make true what common sense has declared false long ago.

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Amanda
01/15/2012 22:27

By this logic:

Having your period is abortion
Oral sex is abortion
Contraception of any kind is abortion.


EVERY SPERM IS SACRED EVERY SPERM IS GREAT, IF A SPERM IS WASTED, GOD GETS QUITE IRATE!!

I don't want to live on this planet anymore

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Anonymous
01/15/2012 22:39

A perfect example of diverting attention from the "Real" Issues of the Nation... Why not address Poverty or Corruption in the Philippines? I am willing to bet my entire life savings & all of my assets that Sen. Enrile masturbated more than once in his lifetime...

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Jennifer
01/16/2012 12:55

They say that all men masturbate. If you deny it, you're lying. God is considered a man so i would have to guess that he was the first one.

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Cristina
01/16/2012 14:57

HAHAHA This is ridiculous!!! Women masturbate too. So how's the argument there? Since we don't waste our eggs, are we off the hook? This is where our taxes go.

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Lowebrau
01/16/2012 16:17

This is seriously being debated in the 21st Century, really? Also, keep your religion out of secular politics.

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Rodney
01/16/2012 17:23

I've had a vasectomy, so great news for me!

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extrem!x
01/16/2012 17:46

sen. errile............ikaw budoy...!!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous
01/16/2012 20:24

Seriously??!!!! Senator thought about this? How about running a bill for not corrupting the money of the people. Politicians are getting rich because of corruption. Non stop impeachment to these politicians that kept corrupting. Yeah, there's nothing else they can think of for the improvement of our country... Funny, funny funny!! Poor filipinos!

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01/18/2012 04:28

Enrile did say that sex is not for pleasure, but for the propagation of the species only, didn't he? Well then, he is obviously a bitter old man who has never truly had joy in his life, for his radical religious views. How has he ever dealt with his own nocturnal emissions, unless of course he is lying about never having masturbated himself, and hates himself for it!

The problem isn''t so much in what he is stating, but rather in the fact that authority is given to such individuals, to counsel-advise-and rule over others??? Like the saying goes, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absoloutely!

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Kelsey
01/18/2012 12:43

In fairness to Enrile, he didn't actually say that masturbation is abortion. What he said was that the withdrawal method "interferes with the production of life." Well duh, that's the whole point. Mind you, I think the official Catholic stances on masturbation and contraception are out there.

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Anti Stupidity
01/18/2012 21:13

Too bad his dad didn't pull out. Stupidity is just that and from a bitter infertile old man we get flaccid stupidity to punish all the future generations. Catholic or not, what a vulgar display of would-be control freak idiocy. Jesus would be pissed off and I see mother mary shaking her head in sad disbelief. What a non valid point he tries to make. Who let that fool in to the government in the first place?

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Becky
01/19/2012 18:30

Does this mean that I'm committing "murder" by "aborting" every time I menstruate? What about "wet dreams" boys have (ALL of them)? This also implies that any man whose wife is infertile (by nature or design - this includes menopause and cancer) should instead commit adultery to satisfy his desires (murder is clearly worse than repeated counts of adultery).

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blank
01/24/2012 06:58

abortion is the expulsion of the fetus!! hello enrille!!! define it pleaseee....haven't you masturabted in your whole life????!

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01/25/2012 17:21

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03/01/2012 08:42

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03/08/2012 21:11

Are sperm cells alive? Yes. Are they human? No. Human life starts in conception, when a sperm fertilizes an egg. What is abortion? It is the killing of an unborn human. Are sperm cells human? NO. So therefore, abortion does not happen in masturbation.

If we follow this senator's line of thinking, that means all women are abortionists too. Because an ovum or egg has life, so when a woman menstruates, the unfertilized egg is flushed out, and no human life is conceived.

I hope he's on his last term.

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Anonymous
03/13/2012 01:05

My stand:

1.Life begins upon the fertilization of egg by sperm in science.
2.The sperm is not alive but is motile, thus, it has the capacity to move.
3.The ejaculation of sperm in males helps clean the prostate.
4.If egg has life, is menstruation also a form of abortion?
5.Masturbation is an immoral act, not a killer.

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03/25/2012 14:17

good post

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04/03/2012 12:51

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04/03/2012 12:53

I had problem with masturbation, but CYPROTERONE ACETATE help me.

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Cat
05/01/2012 16:00

So I guess a blow job would be considered cannibalism....

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05/07/2012 05:43

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Jason101
05/10/2012 19:48

I agree with him. Grow up people

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Hanaouthtere
05/10/2012 19:51

I agree, y'all are misguided. Read the constitution again. Life is precious. Thank goodness we have a caring government. I can't say the same about everyone in it. Please people, be respectful and mature. Grade school children might read this web.

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